It would be nice if he/she(since i 100% do not believe there is more than one person working for/on HD) would communicate besides the 1 random cryptic message.  Is it that hard to go into a bit of detail/time estimates.

I would love changes to recruiting and job applications, I think those are the 2 most important as well as biggest and most difficult to change.

Personally I am about 99% leaning towards they aren't actually doing anything, it took them 3 months to get sim times back to being done by 2:20am(i sent ticket first week of june and they said they were working on it)

If it takes 3 months to get sim times back to 2:20, at best assuming they're multiple people working on this the changes come right before march madness in an attempt to bring in new coahes(I could see right before the season but that is 100% unrealistic), this is also assuming they have been working on this for quite awhile, which I assume is also highly doubtful, at best they just started working on this for real.

They mentioned a beta world to test things out(in my support ticket) has anyone received any invites or anything on that, no so they are most likely just starting to make some changes.

"I also have a long list of smaller suggestions that we've accumulated over the years, so we may be able to sneak in a few of those as well."

You have years worth of smaller suggestions, and you haven't made any big/small changes in forever and you might be able to sneak in few.  A few from a long list from over the years.  Maybe if something was done continuously until waiting for 1 big update it would be better...
A bit unrelated, but I myself have submitted a multitude of low-end changes and I assume many others have brought up plenty of ideas in tickets and the forums.

I use to have hope, but now I have lost any faith in wis/fox doing anything to hd besides just riding out the remaining coaches as a easy cash income.

I think thats the biggest reason, people won't believe it until it actually happens.

I'm getting mad just writing about this.  HD is obviously a great game, but it could also be 100x better and be amazing, but theres nothing out there pushing them to get better.  I honestly wish someone would make a legit competitor to HD to get them actually caring, or just give up completely and let the new game take over as the biggest cbb sim game.  I do a lot to try and make the forums a fun place within a realistic amount effort on my part, and there are few people as well, but it sucks how bad WIS cares about us.

Edit: just checked the development blog and this is another reason why i hate wis:

The plan is to tackle a major update to recruiting.  We're still in the early stages of designing and planning that update.  When I have more details on that, I'll pass them along.  In the mean time, I'll be working on some smaller HD updates while also working on some non-HD WIS tasks.  I've been reviewing the backlog of suggestions and feedback from the past few years as well as my own list.  

Sounds really familiar right?  Well sucks because that was April 16th, 2014 so over a year ago they had this "big" idea they thought to bring back up just a few days ago.  Looking at the posts the last time something was "actually" done was 2012 which was draft logic

Yes, the community seems to be ignoring this. I agree recruit generation is flawed, and addressing that issue may fix some of the issues that the current recruiting system creates. I will say I have had an off again on again running dialogue with admin/cust service for the better part of a year now and in that time it has been acknowledged they are aware of issues caused by the current recruiting dynamic and that the fix is to overhaul recruiting. If what they have told me is accurate I think the community would be well served to think about how they might want to see recruiting changed beyond the simple cosmetic changes that have been suggested. I think the current auction system is going away, or will at least be modified so that recruits don't just go to the highest bidder.

I ignore it because I think the likelihood of anything happening is nil.

Posted by stinenavy on 9/9/2015 4:10:00 PM (view original):
I ignore it because I think the likelihood of anything happening is nil.

I mean whoever is in charge of hd has to know there is absolutely 0 support for them whatsoever.  I mean is there actually anyone that supports them and I'm not talking about the people who say "oh i like everything the way it is so I dont care", but actually believes that HD is being run in any sort of competent way.

Posted by possumfiend on 9/9/2015 3:56:00 PM (view original):
Yes, the community seems to be ignoring this. I agree recruit generation is flawed, and addressing that issue may fix some of the issues that the current recruiting system creates. I will say I have had an off again on again running dialogue with admin/cust service for the better part of a year now and in that time it has been acknowledged they are aware of issues caused by the current recruiting dynamic and that the fix is to overhaul recruiting. If what they have told me is accurate I think the community would be well served to think about how they might want to see recruiting changed beyond the simple cosmetic changes that have been suggested. I think the current auction system is going away, or will at least be modified so that recruits don't just go to the highest bidder.

I completely disagree with this.  

If a "major overhaul" of recruiting meant that it was simply random, then I'd be leaving the site.  Why anyone, especially seble, would believe that Fox/WIS is going to give him the development time to complete a "major overhaul" of HD recruiting is completely beyond comprehension!  When Fox/WIS decides to move on to a new project, we will be left with whatever CS/seble got to at that point and no more.  

The question is not "how ambitious a rebuild can we dream up", but "how much quality improvement can be made given the time that he will be allotted to complete it?"  The suggestions I have made are not "cosmetic", they are simply straightforward tweaks to the system that is already in place.  Sure, the effort to make the site more mobile friendly is cosmetic by definition, but most of the other changes I've suggested, however simple, imply more work than has been done on the site in the past 12 months.   

I am not pessimistic that Fox/WIS is willing to devote some development time to HD each year.  I even think now, before basketball starts, is the right time to roll out some improvements and a new 2-a-day world!

Posted by the0nlyis on 9/9/2015 4:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by stinenavy on 9/9/2015 4:10:00 PM (view original):
I ignore it because I think the likelihood of anything happening is nil.

I mean whoever is in charge of hd has to know there is absolutely 0 support for them whatsoever.  I mean is there actually anyone that supports them and I'm not talking about the people who say "oh i like everything the way it is so I dont care", but actually believes that HD is being run in any sort of competent way.

I think that's overstating it, but, to my earlier point, why would anyone think that enough time and beta-testing is going to be allotted to a "major recruiting overhaul" to do it well?

Posted by rogelio on 9/9/2015 4:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by possumfiend on 9/9/2015 3:56:00 PM (view original):
Yes, the community seems to be ignoring this. I agree recruit generation is flawed, and addressing that issue may fix some of the issues that the current recruiting system creates. I will say I have had an off again on again running dialogue with admin/cust service for the better part of a year now and in that time it has been acknowledged they are aware of issues caused by the current recruiting dynamic and that the fix is to overhaul recruiting. If what they have told me is accurate I think the community would be well served to think about how they might want to see recruiting changed beyond the simple cosmetic changes that have been suggested. I think the current auction system is going away, or will at least be modified so that recruits don't just go to the highest bidder.

I completely disagree with this.  

If a "major overhaul" of recruiting meant that it was simply random, then I'd be leaving the site.  Why anyone, especially seble, would believe that Fox/WIS is going to give him the development time to complete a "major overhaul" of HD recruiting is completely beyond comprehension!  When Fox/WIS decides to move on to a new project, we will be left with whatever CS/seble got to at that point and no more.  

The question is not "how ambitious a rebuild can we dream up", but "how much quality improvement can be made given the time that he will be allotted to complete it?"  The suggestions I have made are not "cosmetic", they are simply straightforward tweaks to the system that is already in place.  Sure, the effort to make the site more mobile friendly is cosmetic by definition, but most of the other changes I've suggested, however simple, imply more work than has been done on the site in the past 12 months.   

I am not pessimistic that Fox/WIS is willing to devote some development time to HD each year.  I even think now, before basketball starts, is the right time to roll out some improvements and a new 2-a-day world!

Look, I don't care whether you agree or not and I wasn't necessarily referring to your suggestions when I said cosmetic changes. I also echo stinenavy's sentiments that I'll believe it when I see it. All I'm saying is that in my ongoing dialogue with admin they acknowledged that recruiting, as it is, causes problems that they believe only a major "overhaul" will fix. Those were their words. Whether they fix it today, tomorrow, next week, next year, or never is anyone's guess.

If they are to be believed, then the changes to be made are likely to be greater than being able to customize scouting reports, pep talks and "minor tweaks". If they are not to be believed than no one who doesn't want to see change has much to worry about. That being said, I don't think they would have made that announcement if they weren't planning changes ... even if it doesn't occur in our lifetime.

Posted by possumfiend on 9/9/2015 4:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rogelio on 9/9/2015 4:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by possumfiend on 9/9/2015 3:56:00 PM (view original):
Yes, the community seems to be ignoring this. I agree recruit generation is flawed, and addressing that issue may fix some of the issues that the current recruiting system creates. I will say I have had an off again on again running dialogue with admin/cust service for the better part of a year now and in that time it has been acknowledged they are aware of issues caused by the current recruiting dynamic and that the fix is to overhaul recruiting. If what they have told me is accurate I think the community would be well served to think about how they might want to see recruiting changed beyond the simple cosmetic changes that have been suggested. I think the current auction system is going away, or will at least be modified so that recruits don't just go to the highest bidder.

I completely disagree with this.  

If a "major overhaul" of recruiting meant that it was simply random, then I'd be leaving the site.  Why anyone, especially seble, would believe that Fox/WIS is going to give him the development time to complete a "major overhaul" of HD recruiting is completely beyond comprehension!  When Fox/WIS decides to move on to a new project, we will be left with whatever CS/seble got to at that point and no more.  

The question is not "how ambitious a rebuild can we dream up", but "how much quality improvement can be made given the time that he will be allotted to complete it?"  The suggestions I have made are not "cosmetic", they are simply straightforward tweaks to the system that is already in place.  Sure, the effort to make the site more mobile friendly is cosmetic by definition, but most of the other changes I've suggested, however simple, imply more work than has been done on the site in the past 12 months.   

I am not pessimistic that Fox/WIS is willing to devote some development time to HD each year.  I even think now, before basketball starts, is the right time to roll out some improvements and a new 2-a-day world!

Look, I don't care whether you agree or not and I wasn't necessarily referring to your suggestions when I said cosmetic changes. I also echo stinenavy's sentiments that I'll believe it when I see it. All I'm saying is that in my ongoing dialogue with admin they acknowledged that recruiting, as it is, causes problems that they believe only a major "overhaul" will fix. Those were their words. Whether they fix it today, tomorrow, next week, next year, or never is anyone's guess.

If they are to be believed, then the changes to be made are likely to be greater than being able to customize scouting reports, pep talks and "minor tweaks". If they are not to be believed than no one who doesn't want to see change has much to worry about. That being said, I don't think they would have made that announcement if they weren't planning changes ... even if it doesn't occur in our lifetime.

So, you're basically in agreement with CS, that a total overhaul is needed to repair whatever you or they might think is wrong with recruiting, but you have no idea what that will be and sincerely doubt that WIS is going to bother taking the time to do anything at all.    That's completely self-defeating reasoning!  

Why not doubt the premise?  There are a ton of strategies and ideas that have been floated that will alleviate some of the issues in the game.  Many could be implemented that would not require overhauling a part of the game that most of its users enjoy (even if they can see the shortcomings).   Why not roll out a bunch of minor changes to some of the recruiting and job's logic and create a test world to try them out?  Keep the ones that work and discard the others.  

A great deal might be accomplished that way.  Once something has been tried and failed, then I might be ready to believe that nothing but a complete rebuild will do.

I feel HD would be better looked after if they just took time to advertise. NFL week 1 is coming up, why not throw in a commercial? They advertise, a ton more coaches come, this game gets better... Simple.

At it's core HD is a college basketball simulation and I think most would agree that the game prides itself on providing relatively realistic results . It may not be perfect in that regard but it does a pretty good job at it.

However, I have always been generally aware of some results that appeared to deviate from the norm, I finally did some research on the issue and last December I sent a ticket providing CS data that demonstrated an area where results skewed quite heavily from reality. I also included several suggestions on how I thought they could address the issue. CS response was that they were already aware of the issue, that they had taken some minor steps to try to fix it but that it would "most likely take a major change to address the situation." They also added, "we'd like to reform recruiting to [address the issue and] much of what you're suggesting here is similar to our plans. That's a big challenge for us to get it right without creating other problems."

Since December I have followed up on a few other occasions and then in June I got the following response: "We're currently working on some upgrades in our technology and in the back-end of some games. Once that is finished (which hopefully won't be too much longer), the plan is to work on a major overhaul in recruiting for HD. We have a lot of ideas to improve things, including ones to address the weaknesses that you have pointed out. Once we get the ball rolling we'll be communicating in the forums."

Two weeks later they sent out the email announcing the need to change to more secure passwords and promising changes to come and then a few weeks ago Seble posted in the Forums the message you referenced here in this thread. All of this is in line with what they have communicated to me dating back almost a year ago now.

So to answer your question, I'm neither endorsing or dismissing the need for a total overhaul. I am open to change if it makes the game better and I believe recruit generation would go a long way towards fixing the issue I raised, but I don't think that would solve the issue completely. From there I suggested other possible solutions that could be implemented that build off the existing recruiting system but do so in a way that modifies recruiting so that it's not simply an auction going to the highest bidder but takes other factors into account as well. And while CS replied they have "similar" ideas they didn't specifically endorse any of my suggestions.

As to why I'm skeptical of the changes ... I brought this issue up to CS almost one year ago and nothing concrete has occurred yet. The most recent message that Seble posted two weeks ago is essentially the same message that they sent me two months ago (i.e., they are in the planning stages and this will take a while to implement) and based on the utter lack of attention they have given to this game over the last few years you question why I wonder if WIS will ever do anything?

Again my point is Seble is the one who posted the message on the forums that they were designing a "major overhaul" of recruiting. Those are Seble's words and this is consistent with what they told me in response to my tickets so I'm taking him at his word. Given that this is the message that WIS and HD are providing, if and when they do roll something out, why would you think the changes are only going to be minor tweaks? Why would they announce a "major overhaul" if they are only planning minor changes?

I really don't think you and I are that far off on what we'd like to see, I simply believe that unless they've been humoring me all this time (which is a possibility) the changes to recruiting they are considering are more substantial than lengthening the open cycle and customizing scouting reports.

To answer your question in the second to last paragraph, it tends to happen with alarming regularity that any time there is a "minor change" implemented there are so many glitches and bugs that pop up that it turns into a major haul.  Without fail Possum, every time.  I can't remember the last time there was a change that didn't involve simply changing a color scheme that was implemented with 100% success and that is no exaggeration.  Here, minor changes ALWAYS turn into major overhauls.  Always.  Hey, sometimes the truth stings a little.  The programmers here are big boys and girls, their feelings might get a little hurt but they'll get over it.

Posted by the0nlyis on 9/9/2015 3:58:00 PM (view original):
It would be nice if he/she(since i 100% do not believe there is more than one person working for/on HD) would communicate besides the 1 random cryptic message.  Is it that hard to go into a bit of detail/time estimates.

I would love changes to recruiting and job applications, I think those are the 2 most important as well as biggest and most difficult to change.

Personally I am about 99% leaning towards they aren't actually doing anything, it took them 3 months to get sim times back to being done by 2:20am(i sent ticket first week of june and they said they were working on it)

If it takes 3 months to get sim times back to 2:20, at best assuming they're multiple people working on this the changes come right before march madness in an attempt to bring in new coahes(I could see right before the season but that is 100% unrealistic), this is also assuming they have been working on this for quite awhile, which I assume is also highly doubtful, at best they just started working on this for real.

They mentioned a beta world to test things out(in my support ticket) has anyone received any invites or anything on that, no so they are most likely just starting to make some changes.

"I also have a long list of smaller suggestions that we've accumulated over the years, so we may be able to sneak in a few of those as well."

You have years worth of smaller suggestions, and you haven't made any big/small changes in forever and you might be able to sneak in few.  A few from a long list from over the years.  Maybe if something was done continuously until waiting for 1 big update it would be better...
A bit unrelated, but I myself have submitted a multitude of low-end changes and I assume many others have brought up plenty of ideas in tickets and the forums.

I use to have hope, but now I have lost any faith in wis/fox doing anything to hd besides just riding out the remaining coaches as a easy cash income.

I think thats the biggest reason, people won't believe it until it actually happens.

I'm getting mad just writing about this.  HD is obviously a great game, but it could also be 100x better and be amazing, but theres nothing out there pushing them to get better.  I honestly wish someone would make a legit competitor to HD to get them actually caring, or just give up completely and let the new game take over as the biggest cbb sim game.  I do a lot to try and make the forums a fun place within a realistic amount effort on my part, and there are few people as well, but it sucks how bad WIS cares about us.

Edit: just checked the development blog and this is another reason why i hate wis:

The plan is to tackle a major update to recruiting.  We're still in the early stages of designing and planning that update.  When I have more details on that, I'll pass them along.  In the mean time, I'll be working on some smaller HD updates while also working on some non-HD WIS tasks.  I've been reviewing the backlog of suggestions and feedback from the past few years as well as my own list.  

Sounds really familiar right?  Well sucks because that was April 16th, 2014 so over a year ago they had this "big" idea they thought to bring back up just a few days ago.  Looking at the posts the last time something was "actually" done was 2012 which was draft logic

Your second to last point.  Cue Gill with a post (that will easily be five to six times longer than need be to get his point across.  Maybe it's because of the way he kind of meanders all around the point before finally getting there 1500 words later.  Just a theory) about how he has been working on a game engine to rival this one, how his will put this one to shame.  Of course, we've been hearing that claim/story for about, what, 8 years now?  Don't hold your breath for too long.

Posted by stinenavy on 9/9/2015 4:10:00 PM (view original):
I ignore it because I think the likelihood of anything happening is nil.

The sky is falling helps nobody!  WIS has ignored these problems for several years, and the "substantial update" is striking fear when that change may or may not be imminent!  So if we are getting one will they "Beta Test" or just run private tests, that should be the question.