I have an incoming freshman who I am planning to redshirt for the upcoming season. Is there any upside to starting him in my two exhibition games before putting the redshirt on him? Will playing in those two games give him any more development (ratings and IQ) than if I just put the redshirt on him immediately?

There's a downside. It could be the first full Saturday of college football, you might go to a bar to watch games, get overserved, come home and forget to redshirt the guy you wanted to redshirt.

It's Rupp. Exhibitions would be this Sunday afternoon and Monday afternoon.

But that's not the question. Would he get more development (as marginal as it might be) playing in two X games rather than sitting in the stands as a redshirt?

I think so. That's why I didn't do it before going out. But I think it's really marginal.

It won't affect IQ at all. IQ comes from practice not gameplay.

Posted by zagsrulez on 9/15/2017 2:29:00 PM (view original):
It won't affect IQ at all. IQ comes from practice not gameplay.

Well that's not entirely true.

If you look at your seniors on your team, you'll notice that almost all of them don't have any Offense/Defense sets which have a 'F' grade for (and you've never/ever put in even 1 minute of practice time in any of those). This is because there is a very slight benefit in playing against opponents which run particular sets (and your player will benefit from that).

If you somehow only play against say Triangle/M2M teams, then sure all your players who have F IQ in those other sets won't be better than F but otherwise, playing in games against any set will improve their IQ ever so slightly.

Well, I started my to-be-redshIrted freshman in my first exhibition game. He turned out to be POG, gained 2 points in his ratings, and raised his IQ in both my offense and defense a notch (from F to D-).

I'll be starting both him and his fellow freshman (who I will not be RSing) in our second exhibition game tomorrow before applying the redshirt and readjusting my depth chart.

Posted by buddhagamer on 9/15/2017 2:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zagsrulez on 9/15/2017 2:29:00 PM (view original):
It won't affect IQ at all. IQ comes from practice not gameplay.

Well that's not entirely true.

If you look at your seniors on your team, you'll notice that almost all of them don't have any Offense/Defense sets which have a 'F' grade for (and you've never/ever put in even 1 minute of practice time in any of those). This is because there is a very slight benefit in playing against opponents which run particular sets (and your player will benefit from that).

If you somehow only play against say Triangle/M2M teams, then sure all your players who have F IQ in those other sets won't be better than F but otherwise, playing in games against any set will improve their IQ ever so slightly.

This is not true.
Games do nothing to IQ. What you are seeing is a glitch in the programming that Seble can not explain.

This was proven several years ago by posters who saw increases that you describe early in the year without having played against that particular offense/defense.

Yes, there is a benefit to starting them in exhibitions-it'll lead to more growth. This was debated a few years back and I believe it girt25 that posted the results of a ticket response from CS, confirming starting kids in exhibitions leads to more growth than not starting them.

Posted by darnoc29099 on 9/17/2017 6:21:00 PM (view original):
Yes, there is a benefit to starting them in exhibitions-it'll lead to more growth. This was debated a few years back and I believe it girt25 that posted the results of a ticket response from CS, confirming starting kids in exhibitions leads to more growth than not starting them.

Cool, thanks for that info.

I wonder if thecheater17 would call that out as "exploiting a loophole" that's no different than adding and removing a redshirt hundreds of times over many hours?

Why wouldn't he? He's desperate to justify his cheating, errrr, actions.

Posted by mullycj on 9/17/2017 4:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by buddhagamer on 9/15/2017 2:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zagsrulez on 9/15/2017 2:29:00 PM (view original):
It won't affect IQ at all. IQ comes from practice not gameplay.

Well that's not entirely true.

If you look at your seniors on your team, you'll notice that almost all of them don't have any Offense/Defense sets which have a 'F' grade for (and you've never/ever put in even 1 minute of practice time in any of those). This is because there is a very slight benefit in playing against opponents which run particular sets (and your player will benefit from that).

If you somehow only play against say Triangle/M2M teams, then sure all your players who have F IQ in those other sets won't be better than F but otherwise, playing in games against any set will improve their IQ ever so slightly.

This is not true.
Games do nothing to IQ. What you are seeing is a glitch in the programming that Seble can not explain.

This was proven several years ago by posters who saw increases that you describe early in the year without having played against that particular offense/defense.

Would it be fair to say that gameplay indirectly impacts IQ since it takes gameplay to improve WE and WE helps improve IQ at a faster rate?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MEUyFuSXcdJw8xAhlUgIpgld6ZrlVDWavYZ3678VOZA/mobilebasic?pref=2&pli=1

WE doesn't affect IQ either, Im pretty sure it's HS GPA that determines how fast a player gains IQ. Also the bump from F to D- after the first game is standard for all players regardless if they play or not. AKA practice.

How old is that document? Is that still standard for IQ growth in 3.0? My player with the lowest WE has had the greatest IQ growth of anyone on my team and I have always pointed that to his high HS GPA.

Posted by zagsrulez on 9/17/2017 10:29:00 PM (view original):
WE doesn't affect IQ either, Im pretty sure it's HS GPA that determines how fast a player gains IQ. Also the bump from F to D- after the first game is standard for all players regardless if they play or not. AKA practice.

How old is that document? Is that still standard for IQ growth in 3.0? My player with the lowest WE has had the greatest IQ growth of anyone on my team and I have always pointed that to his high HS GPA.

The bump from F to D- is not guaranteed after the first game. That depends on how many practice minutes you have allocated to sets and HS GPA.

Posted by zagsrulez on 9/17/2017 10:29:00 PM (view original):
WE doesn't affect IQ either, Im pretty sure it's HS GPA that determines how fast a player gains IQ. Also the bump from F to D- after the first game is standard for all players regardless if they play or not. AKA practice.

How old is that document? Is that still standard for IQ growth in 3.0? My player with the lowest WE has had the greatest IQ growth of anyone on my team and I have always pointed that to his high HS GPA.

IQ growth is definitely affected by WE.