What work ethic threshold do folks usually set? Assuming you still need some growth from the player when he gets to campus, would 17 be too low if you were willing to start him year 1?

With 17 just don’t expect him to get maxed. You might get the WE to 35 in the end with starts the whole time.

35 is my min unless I'm good with where the ratings are already at or I'm good with starting the player all 4 years to maximize their WE growth and get additional skill gains from playing time.

Thanks all.

Current recruit skirts the line of being worth it regardless

Ath 67 avg
Speed 67 green
Defense 44 green
LP 18 green
PER 18 green
BH 50 Green
Passing 66 average
Stamina 80 average

Verbal Meme: Guy looking away from girlfriend that says minimum WE of 30. Guy looking at girl that says WE of 19 with 6 green potentials.

I would personally take that guy DII and start him 4 years. You'd have to punt PER growth entirely and focus on making him a ++ lp scorer, a +defender and a neutral distributor handler at the 1.

Posted by sportstar6ms on 6/12/2020 7:34:00 PM (view original):
Thanks all.

Current recruit skirts the line of being worth it regardless

Ath 67 avg
Speed 67 green
Defense 44 green
LP 18 green
PER 18 green
BH 50 Green
Passing 66 average
Stamina 80 average

Two things I see as an issue.....

The double greens in scoring just won't happen. When I recruit a player similar, I give up one of the two. If it's a guard, I just practice PER and if it's a big I practice LP. You won't max him if he's 90 in both, but you could get pretty far building one.

And ST.... If you run press and/or fastbreak, that low of WE will not allow him up reach his high end potential (if you luckily had a player that would reach 99). His ST will likely regress each offseason

I feel pretty strongly LP is the scoring rating you want to focus on here. There's a lower "bar" for LP in guards than PER, so because it'll be growing so slowly you definitely want the rating to kick in as quickly as possible.

Posted by Baums_away on 6/12/2020 7:39:00 PM (view original):
Verbal Meme: Guy looking away from girlfriend that says minimum WE of 30. Guy looking at girl that says WE of 19 with 6 green potentials.

I like this.

We run press, but I think the 80 as a starting point for stamina is a pretty good starting point. Figure he'll net out around 85 86.

I don't know. I think that's ambitious a bit. But who knows. Here's an example of a 26 WE guy starting out. With 76 black ST. It went up and down each season. He'd gain during the season and regress afterwards. He didn't start all four seasons tho. So it's not a perfect comparison. He started freshman season, half sophomore season, and NT games his Jr and Sr season. But his WE was 26 and not 17 too. (I don't have many 17ish WE examples off hand that I can get to quickly). But I will agree that 80 is fine starting out. I just wouldn't expect much growth

Anyways he went from 76 to 80 in his entire career

https://imgur.com/a/aYTCyMo

I would take that guy at D2, even in press. And if you know you aren't going to be terribly competitive either of the next 2 seasons and are looking for the future, I'd try and redshirt him as a freshman or sophomore.

I feel like he wouldn’t gain much as a freshman redshirt

Posted by sportstar6ms on 6/13/2020 1:41:00 AM (view original):
I feel like he wouldn’t gain much as a freshman redshirt

He wouldn't, you're correct there. But redshirting always is a benefit because of IQs. You'd get a full senior season of A+'s and he'd be ahead of the curve in IQ each season. Every little bit helps

Because of the WE (and I've taken more than my fair share of guys sub-20 WE and been happy with their development) every few points you can gain out of him will help. You're right, if he red-shirted as a freshman he'd gain about 20-25 points total. But remember, growth is on a bell curve. Those few points in each category also start to get you out of the slow bell-curve growth at the beginning.

Here's another trick-when I have a guy with a bunch of greens (regardless of WE) and I redshirt him, I'll put the same number of practice minutes into every green category and I'll track growth closely over the first 10-15 practices. The greens that improve quicker are going to be the high-high-high-high greens (think 45+ points of growth) and the greens that improve slower will get you closer to 30-35 points of improvement. If that PER rating turns blue early on then you should definitely go with cub's advice and punt his PER and pump those practice minutes into LP.