curious if anyone knows what the longest win streak in the NT is? I shockingly just made my 4th straight title game after winning 3 in a row, leaving my win streak in the NT at 23-0. I expect it to end there, but was wondering what the longest is.

How many have won 4, 5 or 6 titles in a row?

UCLA had a crazy streak. Not sure the exact number of games though.

Buddhagamer won 3 straight titles and 5 of 6

I *think* Gil won 5 straight at Kansas once upon a time, which I believe is a record. Incredible streak on your end though and good luck in the title game!

congrats on the incredible run! as far as i know (i have a program that surveys every season for every team in hd history, but it could have a bug - but this is probably a complete list), there are 4 runs that exceeded the 3peat mark (of which there are a decent amount - a dozen maybe, not counting these other 4). in order of occurrence -

1) simai won 4 straight at arizona early in world 3 (rupp) before there were any humans in d1. not sure this one matters but i think its interesting

2) rails won 5 straight at west chester pa in tark, pretty early in tark world, in d2. this is the only d2/d3 run beyond a 3peat - if you win - you'll be the second. its been a dozen years or so since his 5peat, and nobody has broken the 3 mark since. there are pretty many 3peats down there, and generally speaking EEs makes it harder in d1, so this is a little strange to me, but i think there's a lot of variance / luck in these runs in general. of note, rails then won a 3 peat with just 1 season in between, making his total 8 titles in 9 runs, a pretty insane mark.

3) stewdog won 4 in a row at georgia tech in d1 in world 5 (iba). before this happened, there were very few similar d1 accomplishments. OR's original d1 3peat (uconn-tark) stood alone for many years. i think there were only 2 d1 3peats (oldman - MSU crum i believe was the 2nd - but not 100%) when stewdog won his 4, and d2/d3 had way more 3peats and the 5 peat. but since then there's been a bit of an explosion (i don't really count the AZ 4peat because its not human and there were no humans). stewdog built an incredible program there that was bigger than just the 4peat - according to my math (which is questionable, but pretty legit), he has the #1 d1 program in history on a 20 or 30 season basis (he's 2nd on a 10 year basis to the program that follows). stewdog's ga tech is probably the game's gold standard for runs of dominance over the long haul.

4) i (under gillispie1 id) won 5 in a row at d1 tark. stewdog gets a good bit of credit because i'd have never given the game a serious second run if he didn't go win 4 and make me decide i finally had to go get my d1 3peat. the 10 year mark to beat would be 7 titles and 9 final fours in 10 years.

Posted by gillispie1 on 7/24/2020 2:06:00 PM (view original):
congrats on the incredible run! as far as i know (i have a program that surveys every season for every team in hd history, but it could have a bug - but this is probably a complete list), there are 4 runs that exceeded the 3peat mark (of which there are a decent amount - a dozen maybe, not counting these other 4). in order of occurrence -

1) simai won 4 straight at arizona early in world 3 (rupp) before there were any humans in d1. not sure this one matters but i think its interesting

2) rails won 5 straight at west chester pa in tark, pretty early in tark world, in d2. this is the only d2/d3 run beyond a 3peat - if you win - you'll be the second. its been a dozen years or so since his 5peat, and nobody has broken the 3 mark since. there are pretty many 3peats down there, and generally speaking EEs makes it harder in d1, so this is a little strange to me, but i think there's a lot of variance / luck in these runs in general. of note, rails then won a 3 peat with just 1 season in between, making his total 8 titles in 9 runs, a pretty insane mark.

3) stewdog won 4 in a row at georgia tech in d1 in world 5 (iba). before this happened, there were very few similar d1 accomplishments. OR's original d1 3peat (uconn-tark) stood alone for many years. i think there were only 2 d1 3peats (oldman - MSU crum i believe was the 2nd - but not 100%) when stewdog won his 4, and d2/d3 had way more 3peats and the 5 peat. but since then there's been a bit of an explosion (i don't really count the AZ 4peat because its not human and there were no humans). stewdog built an incredible program there that was bigger than just the 4peat - according to my math (which is questionable, but pretty legit), he has the #1 d1 program in history on a 20 or 30 season basis (he's 2nd on a 10 year basis to the program that follows). stewdog's ga tech is probably the game's gold standard for runs of dominance over the long haul.

4) i (under gillispie1 id) won 5 in a row at d1 tark. stewdog gets a good bit of credit because i'd have never given the game a serious second run if he didn't go win 4 and make me decide i finally had to go get my d1 3peat. the 10 year mark to beat would be 7 titles and 9 final fours in 10 years.

Awesome info! Thanks gillispie! I'll give an update after the game tonight, but Arfy crushed me earlier this season, so I think I hand off the Naismith D2 reigns tonight. But it's been a fun run.

Robert Best and Steve Bushman will have played in the national title game every year of their career, 141 games total.

Very impressive run to the title game DannyP. I've was shocked when I saw you make it that far this time around. Fantastic stretch on your profile. Hope to see you in conference in Rupp very soon! You're doing big things right now.

sorry dan, still an absolutely incredible run! arfy is a good guy to lose to anyway, dude is a beast.

you are only the 4th coach in d2 history to make 4 title games
1 6 W. Chester (PA) N.American-8 Rails
2 4 Oklahoma Panhandle St. Heartland-9 snewell12
3 4 Texas A&M, Commerce Lone Star-9 cwaldenj

and have joined this elite club on the 3 peat (rails had a 3 at the same program as the 5 so one is omitted - my program only finds the best run per program because it made it simpler)
1 5 W. Chester (PA) N.American-8 Rails
2 3 S. Illinois, Edwardsvil GLV-8 coach_billyg
3 3 Michigan Tech. GLIAC-2 jetsonsa
4 3 U. of DC S.Atlantic-10 Arfy
5 3 Green Mountain S.Atlantic-7 the0nlyis
6 3 Angelo St. Lone Star-10 ledfoot
7 3 Wilmington C.Atlantic-10 cyric612

Posted by gillispie1 on 7/25/2020 12:04:00 PM (view original):
sorry dan, still an absolutely incredible run! arfy is a good guy to lose to anyway, dude is a beast.

you are only the 4th coach in d2 history to make 4 title games
1 6 W. Chester (PA) N.American-8 Rails
2 4 Oklahoma Panhandle St. Heartland-9 snewell12
3 4 Texas A&M, Commerce Lone Star-9 cwaldenj

and have joined this elite club on the 3 peat (rails had a 3 at the same program as the 5 so one is omitted - my program only finds the best run per program because it made it simpler)
1 5 W. Chester (PA) N.American-8 Rails
2 3 S. Illinois, Edwardsvil GLV-8 coach_billyg
3 3 Michigan Tech. GLIAC-2 jetsonsa
4 3 U. of DC S.Atlantic-10 Arfy
5 3 Green Mountain S.Atlantic-7 the0nlyis
6 3 Angelo St. Lone Star-10 ledfoot
7 3 Wilmington C.Atlantic-10 cyric612

Yes, Arfy’s team was stacked. I made the mistake of forgetting to update my tempo from uptempo to normal though. His high stamina made it impossible for me to try to run on him and that was a killer for any chance I had, which was already very slim.

Oh well! Maybe we can get back to the title game again next season.

Doing multiple consecutive title runs is more difficult in HD 3.0 @ D1 mainly due to the EE mechanics. No comparison on how much easier to replace EEs under HD 2.0 than it is now under HD 3.0 (never mind the randomness of dice rolls).

Posted by buddhagamer on 7/28/2020 9:49:00 PM (view original):
Doing multiple consecutive title runs is more difficult in HD 3.0 @ D1 mainly due to the EE mechanics. No comparison on how much easier to replace EEs under HD 2.0 than it is now under HD 3.0 (never mind the randomness of dice rolls).

i agree with your point, but not necessarily the conclusion. it feels to me like there are two major things pushing the other way, the first being the much lower population, the second being how much crappier the average high end d1 team is. back in the day, you had a plethora of 850 overall teams, even though some were poorly crafted. how do you create separation? today with such less talented high d1 teams, there is a lot more room for separation.

so, i feel like that 1st and 2nd title in the run are markedly easier today. but the 3rd and up? i definitely get your EE point. i remember in the middle of the aforementioned 5peat, in my 3rd season (the critical one - i just came back for the 3peat - so i'd have lost the whole thing if i lost that middle season) - we had 5 EEs instead of the expected 2ish. that would be impossible to overcome today. although back then, it was still essentially miraculous. definitely part of the 3peat game is consistent excellence, but the other part is avoiding really bad rolls. the former seems a lot easier today, the latter a lot harder. where does that leave the overall effort? its debatable.

Posted by gillispie1 on 7/29/2020 11:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by buddhagamer on 7/28/2020 9:49:00 PM (view original):
Doing multiple consecutive title runs is more difficult in HD 3.0 @ D1 mainly due to the EE mechanics. No comparison on how much easier to replace EEs under HD 2.0 than it is now under HD 3.0 (never mind the randomness of dice rolls).

i agree with your point, but not necessarily the conclusion. it feels to me like there are two major things pushing the other way, the first being the much lower population, the second being how much crappier the average high end d1 team is. back in the day, you had a plethora of 850 overall teams, even though some were poorly crafted. how do you create separation? today with such less talented high d1 teams, there is a lot more room for separation.

so, i feel like that 1st and 2nd title in the run are markedly easier today. but the 3rd and up? i definitely get your EE point. i remember in the middle of the aforementioned 5peat, in my 3rd season (the critical one - i just came back for the 3peat - so i'd have lost the whole thing if i lost that middle season) - we had 5 EEs instead of the expected 2ish. that would be impossible to overcome today. although back then, it was still essentially miraculous. definitely part of the 3peat game is consistent excellence, but the other part is avoiding really bad rolls. the former seems a lot easier today, the latter a lot harder. where does that leave the overall effort? its debatable.

I just feel that in HD 2.0 when you had that 5 title run, other coaches would be crazy to battle Kansas for recruits so that instance where you did get 5 EEs, you were highly likely to come out of that with 5 quality recruits. Today, if you had 5 EEs, that implies you had almost *NO* resources to open up sufficient spots to replace those (and even if you did, you were likely at a HUGE disadvantage unless nobody fought you for the 1 opening you were trying to fill in RS1 (I have experienced trying to fill 4+ EEs with 1 opening and I can tell you it is not doable at all (at least not with high quality recruits).

EEs (and avoiding them) is paramount in HD3.0 in separating the pretenders from contenders which makes title runs very difficult to maintain over extended periods of time. HD 3.0 now has even non-Power 5 teams winning multiple D1 titles which was unheard of in HD2.0.

[Edit: As for D1 population, yes its way down but under HD 2.0, even if every single team was human coached, how many of those teams would be considered title contenders year in year out? Even if a coach like yourself went to a D+ baseline school in HD2.0, you would never likely compete for a title. Today, you would like be able to at least compete if not annually, at least some of the time making it more difficult for a single team to dominate the post season. See Vanderbuilt in Phelan where you/chap are co-coaching and competing every season now. Do you think you'd be able to do it similarly under HD 2.0?]

I'm in a title game today coming off of 3 EEs, which is by far the best I've done with a lot of EEs.

My 3 titles at Illinois came off of 1,1, and 2 EEs respectively. And the title after 2 EEs was a huge anomaly in the sense I only had 2 great players.

My 2 NC RU came off of 1 and 1.

My F4 was off of 0 EEs.

Posted by gillispie1 on 7/25/2020 12:04:00 PM (view original):
sorry dan, still an absolutely incredible run! arfy is a good guy to lose to anyway, dude is a beast.

you are only the 4th coach in d2 history to make 4 title games
1 6 W. Chester (PA) N.American-8 Rails
2 4 Oklahoma Panhandle St. Heartland-9 snewell12
3 4 Texas A&M, Commerce Lone Star-9 cwaldenj

and have joined this elite club on the 3 peat (rails had a 3 at the same program as the 5 so one is omitted - my program only finds the best run per program because it made it simpler)
1 5 W. Chester (PA) N.American-8 Rails
2 3 S. Illinois, Edwardsvil GLV-8 coach_billyg
3 3 Michigan Tech. GLIAC-2 jetsonsa
4 3 U. of DC S.Atlantic-10 Arfy
5 3 Green Mountain S.Atlantic-7 the0nlyis
6 3 Angelo St. Lone Star-10 ledfoot
7 3 Wilmington C.Atlantic-10 cyric612

how did you write this program?

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/29/2020 3:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 7/25/2020 12:04:00 PM (view original):
sorry dan, still an absolutely incredible run! arfy is a good guy to lose to anyway, dude is a beast.

you are only the 4th coach in d2 history to make 4 title games
1 6 W. Chester (PA) N.American-8 Rails
2 4 Oklahoma Panhandle St. Heartland-9 snewell12
3 4 Texas A&M, Commerce Lone Star-9 cwaldenj

and have joined this elite club on the 3 peat (rails had a 3 at the same program as the 5 so one is omitted - my program only finds the best run per program because it made it simpler)
1 5 W. Chester (PA) N.American-8 Rails
2 3 S. Illinois, Edwardsvil GLV-8 coach_billyg
3 3 Michigan Tech. GLIAC-2 jetsonsa
4 3 U. of DC S.Atlantic-10 Arfy
5 3 Green Mountain S.Atlantic-7 the0nlyis
6 3 Angelo St. Lone Star-10 ledfoot
7 3 Wilmington C.Atlantic-10 cyric612

how did you write this program?

8.0.3

it just scrapes the history page for every team https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=3344

and then does the math. the 'run of X', like NT appearances, s16s, etc was the first thing i did it for actually (which the above list snippets are part of). the dynasty list stuff is just a different set of math.

Totally agree with Buddha on EEs. I think you can't compare d1 streaks in 2.0 vs 3.0 since it's a totally different animal. I can also tell you that replacing 4 EEs with only 1 opening is VERY difficult even with A+ prestige. Requires a lot of luck nowadays.