Junior College recruits retaining their high school GPA.

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SO I found that I have to up their study minutes just like they were freshman.

It appears their junior college GPA has become irrelevant.

As a junior college connoisseur this has become disconcerting/annoying.

I had to up Robson's SH to 15 minutes after midterm grades to keep him eligible.

Don't know where this originated, but would be nice if we at least received a heads up.

If you don't recruit Juco's you may disregard this post.

FWIW- I have never had a player become ineligible.

Fun fact: in real life, if a student transfers from one school to another, their GPA does not transfer with them. It basically resets.

I learned this a few months ago when my son was considering transferring from his current school.

i'm not sure i follow, phalla. are you saying that parenthetical there with the HS gpa is new? i thought they added that for all players at some point due to the impossibility of knowing the HS GPA for non-freshman. but i don't see it in tark for recruits from this period - did they just add that back for jucos, like in the past couple weeks? maybe the jucos i am looking at are juco-generated players, not freshman who aged?

i thought all players retained their freshman GPAs, we just couldn't see it after freshman year (until a while back), and you could only know the juco's freshman gpa if they were the type of juco who was generated as a freshman, and you happened to catch it their freshman recruiting season. i don't really know what the deal was with the jucos who are generated as jucos, but i figured they had an invisible freshman gpa.

i would have thought if they added the GPA parenthetical, it was just cosmetic. i wonder if your situation is just small sample size? that said, i very rarely have given jucos SH minutes, so you seeing two is definitely suspicious. curious if others are seeing the same?

also, i can't remember where to find the hs gpa of my current players, i thought that existed now, am i imagining things or is it just buried somewhere?

High school GPA's usually disappear after Freshman season. They are no longer displayed.

Juco recruits do not have their high school GPA displayed when recruiting.

But for the first time, this season (Wisconsin Lutheran), my signed juco's have their high school GPA's displayed ... AND it has DEFINITELY affected SH minutes.

My reference- An incoming FR with a 2.5 HS GPA I usually would start with 9 or 10 SH minutes.

A Junior with a college GPA of 2.5 I usually would have 3 minutes SH.

Robson came in with a 2.5 GPA from juco. I had him with 4 minutes SH. At midterm he came in with a 1.9 GPA. NEVER had anything close to that happen before. Had to bump him up to 15 minutes SH to be sure his GPA would be OK.

It's like his SH needs were that of a Freshman with a 2.44 GPA (his displayed HS GPA).

Repeating myself- HS GPA's were never displayed before for players that were Juco's. This is new.

Sent a ticket to CS yesterday ... but have not received a reply ... yet.

Transfers are also now displaying their high school GPA's.

3rd day since ticket to CS. No response.

I think I know what you mean. Richard Townsend, on Fresno State in Tark, is a soph juco. He’s displaying his 2.0 HS gpa, which I agree, the display during the season is new, I think. I don’t think the application of it for college gpa purposes is new, however. There has always been a set of dummies that you had to watch among the jucos; certainly not as many as freshmen, but some can be problematic. The older they are, the less SH they tend to need obviously, but there are always some exceptions, and especially sophomores can be bitten by the surprise DNQ bug. Displaying the HS GPA for first-season jucos now really just helps us keep track, especially useful if you don’t happen to remember or keep track of the differences along the line of those gil is talking about (generated as freshmen vs generated as jucos).

I think a lot of folks have been noticing the frequency of DNQ bumping up a little for players across the board in the past few seasons, for what it’s worth. So in any case, that’s probably at play here pretty prominently.

Respectfully I disagree. The high school GPA's displayed are affecting SH minutes for jucos and transfers. It appears the SH minutes required are now as they would have been if the Juco/transfer was a freshman. This is definitely new and definitely a change. And there has been no advance warning about this.

Also, there is no way of knowing what the Juco/transfers HS GPA was when we arenrecruiting. It is not displayed. So if this change was purposeful, they shouild at least display the HS GPA .for Juco/transfer recruits.

And still no reply from CS.

i have occasionally had to give jucos minutes, but it always just seemed like random luck on the midterms. i don't think i've ever lost one. the only one i have this season pulled a 3.3 or better each season without any minutes, but i've had dumb ones too (this one was a jr). that is why i'm saying i'm a bit skeptical it changed off 1 guy pulling a 1.9 at midterms.

what does it say for cumulative GPA on these 2 guys of yours, on the first mid terms? it should display their cumulative GPA which should be 0.00 for freshman and something else for everyone else. is it their college GPA or their HS GPA? not sure that is gospel or anything, but that is one other place to look i suppose?

Posted by phalla on 6/14/2021 2:23:00 AM (view original):
Respectfully I disagree. The high school GPA's displayed are affecting SH minutes for jucos and transfers. It appears the SH minutes required are now as they would have been if the Juco/transfer was a freshman. This is definitely new and definitely a change. And there has been no advance warning about this.

Also, there is no way of knowing what the Juco/transfers HS GPA was when we arenrecruiting. It is not displayed. So if this change was purposeful, they shouild at least display the HS GPA .for Juco/transfer recruits.

And still no reply from CS.

I’ll come at this a little differently so you know what I’m saying, because we may just be looking at this differently.

Players have always had a somewhat obscured “intelligence” attribute. HS GPA has been the way to peek at it for most players (not players generated as jucos previously, though). That attribute has always been what drives IQ growth, along with WE and PT. That same somewhat obscured intelligence attribute is the thing that affects how a player does in school.

I suspect they have bumped up how much SH all players need to stay safely above the DNQ line *a little bit*. And it is new that the HS GPA displays now for jucos. The latter just makes sure we have a first year guidepost for all players.

On the CS ticket, I wish SportsHub would get this figured out, but there are some platform-browser combos that don’t seem to work. On my iPad, Chrome is the only way I can effectively submit and see responses to tickets. If I try to do anything on safari, I get sent to the wrong people, and responses never show up properly anyway. It’s a mess. It’s possible they haven’t gotten to it over the weekend I suppose. But I doubt they’re ignoring it. I don’t always like his answers, but to his credit, Adam is always pretty fast about getting back to me.

does anyone else see what shoe is seeing with grades? or more importantly, have a reason to think something might have changed (other than simple observation of grades which are fairly random)? i just had a heck of a grades season, more trouble than i've had in a while, and the first guy i can clearly remember losing (so perhaps only one in a half dozen years, but, unclear). i 100% chalked it up to me being dumb though. i still feel like that is the likely explanation...

I should clarify, I don’t really know if they’ve bumped it up, or if the variance has just been increased a little. I wouldn’t see it either way because I’m conservative with SH minutes and always have been. I’m basing it on chatter on forums and CC I’ve seen from other coaches in the past 6 months or so. Injuries seem to be a similar story, possibly a very small uptick.

It’s also possible that nothing’s been officially *changed*, or if it has, it isn’t the kind of thing they are eager to talk about, and I would understand why.

i generally have found that 'the variance seems to have increased a bit based on anecdotal complaints' theories are very long shots. its interesting to hear them though... but for now i'm just going to stick with the theory that i was dumb. that one usually pans out!

I don't care who it is, I always use the old/original formula from Hoops version 1.0 and subtract the High school GPA from 4.0 and multiply by 10 and constantly adjust every midterm and midseason Final. It's never steered me wrong. I did have a couple of surprises though this last midterm in Wooden. I had some guys with the standard 8/10/12 minutes who got like a 2.8/2.4/ and one with a 2.1. I freaked and started cussing out the Sim engine.

CS is in denial that previously juco recruited playersdid not have their high school GPA's displayed.

Because I have nothing linked to prove that ... well they can't get past that.

Seems unlikely, but maybe someone has a past visual of a juco recruited recruited player with no HS GPA displayed.