In an effort to get soxfan's thread back on topic, let's move whatever nonsense that is getting spewed to this thread.

To recap, a n00b asked if there was any way you could ballpark IP based on durability/stamina ratings. I said "Yes, but it's based more on Pitch Counts so an effective pitcher will throw more IP than an identical DUR/STM pitcher."

tec seemed to think this was crazy talk.

In the end, I think it became a "No, you've simplified it too much" discussion. I disagree.

When you see a pitcher with 18 durability and 62 stamina can you ballpark his IP? I think anyone who has a few seasons under their belt can.

My reasoning: This 18/62 guy can throw 70-80 pitches every 6th day. The average pitches per inning is around 16. So, essentially, he's going to go 4+ every time out. Adjust for his blowout games and off days, I reckon he'll get 27-30 starts if I keep running him out there. So, at a glance, I'd assume the average 18/62 pitcher will get somewhere between 125-150 innings.

What say ye?

I think too many "vets" want to make HBD too difficult with the use of magical formulas. I have nothing against such things, they do exist, but a n00b just wants an answer.

I think far too many responses get overcomplicated. Not sure if the responder has some "genius" he needs to get recognized or if they just can't get to the point.

In my mind, a n00b has a lot on his plate. Giving him the info he needs to get thru to tomorrow is sufficient. He'll figure things out on his own eventually.

oh the irony of such a thread where mike is complaining about somebody else rambling on and on and refusing to give up...

Not really complaining. Just explaining why so many "help" threads get off track.

Give the n00b the info. Unless it's complete BS, there's no need to add some minor detail.

"Yes, 85/85 range/glove would make a good 2B."
"You forgot to mention that he needs to be righthanded."

A simplistic (safe) way to ballpark reasonable, non-fatigued usage is:

162 * DUR / 100 = number of games (20 means he can pitch every FIFTH game, 25 means he can pitch every FOURTH game)

120 * STA / 100 = number of pitches assuming he's pitching on the interval specified above.

So a 18/62 could throw about 75 pitches MAX every 5.5 days (29x per year). Assuming average ML control ( > 65), he'll probably throw about 15 pitches per inning, so about five innings every 5.5 days and you would likely see NO fatigue problems. (i think it comes out to around 2170 pitches total or 140-150 IP)

If you choose to throw him in other situations like LongA or SetUp, YMMV.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/21/2009
In an effort to get soxfan's thread back on topic, let's move whatever nonsense that is getting spewed to this thread.

To recap, a n00b asked if there was any way you could ballpark IP based on durability/stamina ratings. I said "Yes, but it's based more on Pitch Counts so an effective pitcher will throw more IP than an identical DUR/STM pitcher."

tec seemed to think this was crazy talk.

In the end, I think it became a "No, you've simplified it too much" discussion. I disagree.

When you see a pitcher with 18 durability and 62 stamina can you ballpark his IP? I think anyone who has a few seasons under their belt can.

My reasoning: This 18/62 guy can throw 70-80 pitches every 6th day. The average pitches per inning is around 16. So, essentially, he's going to go 4+ every time out. Adjust for his blowout games and off days, I reckon he'll get 27-30 starts if I keep running him out there. So, at a glance, I'd assume the average 18/62 pitcher will get somewhere between 125-150 innings.

What say ye?

That's not the "hard cap" that someone claimed in the other thread.

Yeah, it actually is. 150 innings. You aren't getting more than that from him.

Are you really that stupid? Don't answer, I already know.

No such thing as a "hard cap", at least insofar as it could apply to HBD pitchers.

You can roll the guy out there every inning of every game. He'll suck by the sixth inning of the first game, and get progressively worse, but it's not like he'll DIE if you keep him out there. Injury risk will increase exponentially when he keeps pitching at 0(0), but there ain't some kind of rule or software glitch that will somehow stop you from putting him out there.

His 'EFFECTIVE' cap is probably 150 innings, after which he'll start pitching like a slow-pitch softball pitcher.

Methinks the term "hard cap" is where the problem lies....

And that's an example of "overcomplicated".

If I have to say "He can pitch a max 150 innings with a solid defense and average ratings at a neutral ballpark. You will have to adjust this number based on the level of competition and opposing ballparks. Also, it should be noted that he will only be available to pitch if he's at 100% at the start of the game", I'm speaking to a complete dumbass who I'll wish I ignored.

Now wonder you clowns have to use 37 lines to say "Yes".

There is a hard cap if you want him at 100%. Now run along because I've had enough of your idiocy. Your next post will be redlined. I'm not interested in your ******* match.

Nope, I changed my mind. Be brief. No one will be reading what you wrote.

Meh, clearly MY explanation led us to this epiphany.

Your explanation was too wordy and complicated.

I calculate it as:

[162 * (DUR/100)] * [STA/13.5] * [effective%]

effective% is a number I calculate. It can be above 100%

A pitcher with 18 DUR and 62 STA and a 90% effective% would get about 121 IP.

A pitcher with a 110% effective% could get 147 IP.

Crazily enough, despite three seperate way to calculate it, we're all coming up with 120-150. Shocker.

Certainly appears that we all believe there is a max innings he can pitch effectively. A hard cap if you will.