Other than the obvious (they're all dead from fatigue), what is wrong with this pitching staff? I have an idea . . . just want to see if other people come to the same conclusion that I have.

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Player	Lvl	Frn	Pos	%	Age	Dur	Hlth	Sta	Ctrl	VsL	vsR	Vel	GB/FB	P1	P2	P3	P4	P5	$
P1	ML	XXX	P	0	22	37	44	32	52	67	48	37	82	87	79	43	0	0	$327K
P2	ML	XXX	P	0	29	48	99	44	81	83	70	25	68	76	87	46	0	0	$5.8M
P3	ML	XXX	P	48	26	67	99	39	93	58	63	86	29	91	62	0	0	0	$378K
P4	ML	XXX	P	0	27	72	83	42	85	82	65	85	42	88	75	0	0	0	$6.5M
P5	ML	XXX	P	0	30	37	72	16	81	81	86	90	82	81	77	50	0	0	$2.4M
P6	ML	XXX	P	0	23	37	41	41	57	82	82	35	35	87	86	77	63	28	$327K
P7	ML	XXX	P	7	25	12	99	61	87	80	77	88	69	79	58	41	0	0	$378K
P8	ML	XXX	P	0	25	39	67	7	89	64	82	81	80	88	80	56	0	0	$327K
P9	ML	XXX	P	0	26	24	91	77	85	50	69	79	47	73	72	53	37	23	$1.0M
P10	ML	XXX	P	0	21	35	79	28	83	60	67	93	95	78	73	75	41	0	$327K
P11	ML	XXX	P	34	24	26	90	77	67	61	71	36	40	95	82	86	54	0	$378K
P12	ML	XXX	P	0	32	27	87	68	91	63	81	83	69	80	72	42	51	39	$6.5M
P13	ML	XXX	P	3	26	34	67	71	50	59	55	88	36	69	63	35	0	0	$327K
P14	ML	XXX	P	0	35	24	81	65	59	75	79	41	79	77	64	63	48	35	$2.1M

My first guess, as still someone fairly new at this, is that this staff can only work if it is babysat pretty much every single cycle with constant role changes. alone for any length of time, it would seem to me that the manager's hands are tied based on whatever roles are defined. It's hard to tell what the pitch counts are set at, but there are only a couple of guys that can pitch consecutive days at times.... If roles aren't reset constantly, then there would not be enough time to recover....

I could be way off base here, as this is coming from a guy with one season under his belt and two in progress.

It has very few major league pitchers.

P5 and P8 can pitch-- about 30 IP a season. P1, 11, and 13 blow. P3 and P6 are borderline pitchers per inning at their best-- and they're never at their best because their DUR/ST is bad. P10 is about the same as 3 and 6, just a touch better.

Among the remainder, P9 is an SP5, and P4 and P14 are solid 4th and 5th relievers. Which leaves only 3 guys--P12, an SP2, and P2 and 7, good SuAs, as real pitchers.

So-- too much in-game fatigue, not enough stamina, and half of them aren't all that good on the rare occasion that they're not gassed.

D, why does 11 blow? I know the splits aren't great , but he does have 3 very good pitches. Thanks!

silent's got it, methinks. It looks as though, across the board, durabilities are just too low.

Quote: Originally Posted By mjwilson on 10/11/2009D, why does 11 blow? I know the splits aren't great , but he does have 3 very good pitches. Thanks

Good point. I should have prefaced that statement by saying that I view pitches as less important than anybody I know... from my rather extreme perspective, that's mop-up man control + mopup man splits + bad GB/FB, and the pitches don't make up for it. Others will probably value him more.

No STA higher than 77.

Here's what I see (I'm big on splits, by the way):

The starting staff is subpar. P7 looks good but his durability is low- he can't pitch every 5 games. I'll agree with dedelman that P12 is around a #2 or #3 starter. P14's control is a little iffy, but he's not terrible. P11 is a back of the rotation guy. The other starters here, P9 and P13, are AAA pitchers.

The bullpen gets worn out because they have no durability (the only relievers with decent durability are P3 and P4, and P3 wouldn't get past AAA for me due to his splits) and because of the weaknesses in the rotation. They can get guys out when rested, but they won't be because it will take them 2-3 days to recover after pitching.

You can get by with one or two of the lesser inning pitchers (durability and stamina both under 40), but not 5, even with a 14 man staff. Is the defense up to standards, or are there weak gloves behind this staff?

Only 1 guy over 70 durability and only 2 over 70 stamina. No wonder they're all fatigued.

hopefully that's a tandem rotation

even so, not enough innings covered

Quote: Originally Posted By mjwilson on 10/11/2009D, why does 11 blow? I know the splits aren't great , but he does have 3 very good pitches. Thanks

P11 doesn't blow. He won't be a great P, but would benefit from an excellent PC catcher and a home park that isn't HR-friendly.

Pitch quality for several of them are a little low, and two-pitch pitchers who don't have a quality #2 pitch tend to struggle.

I actually think there are more than enough innings available based on the Dur/Sta combos, IF the pitchers were of good ML quality. Particularly with lower quality guys like 1, 13, & 14, they don't really belong in the ML, so when they pitch there, it takes them more pitches to get through every inning, thereby decreasing the number of innings they can log. If the full staff was close to 2, 5, 7, 12, then I think it would be effective.

That said, silentpanda is correct that it would require micromanagement to some degree.

If you throw one more quality starter in there, they'd be fine. Just as long as you maximize 2 and 4 IPs, they can get you 300 innings.