Rebounding Topic

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I'm not sure I'm the first and only one to witness this. But do the rebounding advantages seem a lot more randomized than in previous versions in the game, especially at D-3?

I'm talking about SG's and SF's with rebounding ratings of 30-40 getting 7-10 rebounds, which seems a lot more common now.

10/29/2009 8:18 PM
furry_nipps
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My guard with a 25 reb rating is pulling in over 4 boards a game. (Div III)
10/29/2009 8:26 PM
hbmerlin
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I think that much of what you are seeing is probably the result of starting a PG with 26 REB and 21 ATH at SF.
10/29/2009 8:42 PM
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Sorry, I wasn't referring to averages, but at times a weak rebounding SG or SF will come up with a 7-10 rebound game, where the other team has a good rebound PF or C and he might only have 2-3 rebounds in that same game.
10/29/2009 10:24 PM
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Wiz, I have noticed this also, although it is still pretty rare. I (being a coach that puts a great deal of focus on REB - with a moderate level of success) follow this stat closely. By the same token, I will also have a C with a REB rating of 80 plus play 20 plus minutes and only end up with a single rebound or two for the game. Overall, I don't think it is much of a problem and probably reflects real life to some degree.
10/30/2009 3:00 AM
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mt d3 big has a 80 reb/60 ath and averages like 6 boards a game? And routinly get out played by guys with 30ath/60 reb.
10/30/2009 11:10 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By elvis87 on 10/30/2009




mt d3 big has a 80 reb/60 ath and averages like 6 boards a game?

Yeah, he averages 6.9 rpg and he plays 23 mpg. Good starters in real life play 30+. Extrapolate the numbers.

And routinly get out played by guys with 30ath/60 reb.

Uh ... wrong. You've played 13 games. Fortin has grabbed more rebounds than the opposing center in nine of them. Of the other four: one he went up against a guy with 99 reb and 69 ath; one Fortin played 18 mpg and the other C played 37 (and still only grabbed one more rebound); one your opponent started three guards and a sf, meaning the center was the only guy out there collecting rebounds; one he was outrebounded 10-9 by a guy who played six more minutes.

Your claim is totally off base.

Plus, making a statement (even it were technically correct, which yours isn't) like that overlooks some really key factors, such as total missed shots. I consistently see people complaining about a rebounding disparity and they don't even take into account the fact that their team missed 15 more shots than their opponents.

I don't think reb is perfect, but over the course of a season, strong rebounding teams do well on the boards and weak ones don't. I would not say it's a problem in HD.


10/31/2009 12:03 AM
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sorry I was using a blakent statement and that was a poor example
10/31/2009 3:47 PM
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Well in my first exhibition game with Stonehill my backup pg with 1 Reb pulled down 8 boards, which is 6 more than my starting center with 99 Reb pulled down
10/31/2009 6:21 PM
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It should be flat-out illegal to post something like that.

One. Game.

If your pg starts pulling down more boards than your center for a chunk of the season, come talk to us. Can't help but notice that last season, that center pulled down 6 rebs in 17 mpg, and the pg grabbed 2 reb in 20 mpg. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you might see similar results this season.

On a happier note, I do like that Stonehill team alot, you should be able to make a nice run with them.
10/31/2009 6:44 PM
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I agree with your post above Daalter, but even you would have to admit that a PG with a Rebounding rating of 1 (which is, of course, the worst possible rating to have) shouldn't be pulling down 8 rebounds in a game.

With that rating, he should be lucky to get ONE and only then if the ball happens to fall right into his lap. Even though it's just "one game", it still shouldn't happen. Not eight.

Hell, two in twenty minutes per game last season averages out to four for a full game (notice that quick math. Brilliant, huh!). With a Rebounding rating of one, I'd say that's just a bit much...........
10/31/2009 7:59 PM
dalter
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I don't really agree. I tried to think of a real-life pg who I wouldn't think would get many rebounds. Steve Nash was the first one who popped into my head. He's small, doesn't crash the boards (like a Kidd or Rondo), etc. etc.

He averaged 3.5 rpg in 37.5 ... pretty much in line with jfinn's pg's #'s from last season. Tony Parker was the next one who jumped into my head, he grabbed 3.1 in 33 mpg. Both of them had games with 8 rebs, and numerous others with 6 or 7.

Now, I'm not suggesting that's the definitive, last word on the subject. Or that eight in one game isn't a little much. (Although his pg is extremely fast for DII and that could explain him getting to some rebounds.) But do I think it's a problem in HD? No, I don't.
10/31/2009 8:41 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By emy1013 on 10/31/2009

I agree with your post above Daalter, but even you would have to admit that a PG with a Rebounding rating of 1 (which is, of course, the worst possible rating to have) shouldn't be pulling down 8 rebounds in a game.

With that rating, he should be lucky to get ONE and only then if the ball happens to fall right into his lap. Even though it's just "one game", it still shouldn't happen. Not eight.

Hell, two in twenty minutes per game last season averages out to four for a full game (notice that quick math. Brilliant, huh!). With a Rebounding rating of one, I'd say that's just a bit much...........

I totally disagree. Your rebounding rating means your rebounding technique skill. That is skill at boxing out and reading the bounce off the rim. A guard is going to get all his rebounds from "long rebounds", that do not require any rebounding technique. It will require speed for the most part, to outrace the other players for that "long rebound". If your opponent is airing up alot of long shots and 3s you are going to have alot more "long rebounds". I would not at all be surprised to see a high rebounds total for a guard with a 1 rebounding skill rating, IF that guard has super high speed, and super high athleticism, AND the opponent is raining down a bunch of misses from deep.



10/31/2009 8:44 PM
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I agree that guards can run down the long rebound and their rebounding rating wouldn't matter in that case, but Bryan happened to grab 5 of his 8 rebounds off free-throws, where his rebounding technique would be extremely important.
10/31/2009 10:07 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by jfinn19 on 10/31/2009I agree that guards can run down the long rebound and their rebounding rating wouldn't matter in that case, but Bryan happened to grab 5 of his 8 rebounds off free-throws, where his rebounding technique would be extremely important.

why was a PG one of the people in the lane for a FT?
10/31/2009 10:46 PM
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