I have a pitcher whose pc is set at 80/95 with a 1 pull rating. In his last 3 games hes been pulled out at 82, 79, 78 respectively. He has also only given up 3, 2, and 0 runs in those games. I am an American League team so it is not as if he was pinch hit for. He was pulled the 1st time after 6 innings and the next 2 after 5. To make it even worse, it was the playoffs and in the last game the bullpen went on to blow the lead in the clinching game! Has this happened to anyone before and is there an explanation for it? Thanks.

from the Help: "If his Call Bullpen setting is set to 1 a manager will do his best to allow the pitcher to pitch out of a jam and reach the player's target pitch count."

Maybe bump up his TPC for special occasions?

He didn't even reach is target in 2 of the 3 situations though. Also, he wasn't ever in any trouble because he was taken out before the next inning started.

I think 78 and 79 are close enough to 80, as the software logic determines it.
I hate to sound like customer service, but I think it did exactly what it was supposed to do.

How does that make sense though? Ok fine he's borderline at his pc but he wasn't struggling and with the 1 pull should he stay in!?

It only happens with this 1 pitcher too which is kind of wierd. I guess if I am lucky enough to advance I will change his target in which case they will probably leave him in too long lol.

I believe pull setting only effects whether or not he should get pulled, before his PC.

Exactly...2 of the 3 examples mentioned he wasn't even at his pc yet. His pull rating is as low as it can be lol.

If he was at 79 in the middle of an inning they would have let him finish that inning, but because he reached his target pitch count on the third out they took him instead of letting him come in for a batter or two more.

Quote: Originally Posted By strikeout26 on 11/01/2009If he was at 79 in the middle of an inning they would have let him finish that inning, but because he reached his target pitch count on the third out they took him instead of letting him come in for a batter or two more

No lol. He NEVER reached his target pitch count in 2 of the 3 situations. That is the issue.

I have seen many times where a pitcher finishes an inning within 1 or 2 pitches of his target count, i.e. 78 with a TPC of 80, and then is not allowed to start the next inning. This happens regardless of pull rating.

Wether or not you agree with it, what happened to your pitchers is normal to HBD. I suggest raising your TPC to 85 or 90 if you want to guarantee he throws more pitches.

^ what dyoung said. It's doing exactly what it is supposed to do, but apparently many people misunderstand the rule's intent.
If the guy ends an inning 1 pitch short of his target, he's n ot going to go out the next inning for 1 batter; it makes sense to remove him 1 pitch short. I think raising the TPC for your best pitchers in the post-season is the way to go.

I figured that's why there was also a max pitch count to go along with the target pitch count. I thought they try to get them to throw their target if they are doing well and will leave them in up to their max pitch count if they were doing well with a low pull rating. Is this far off? I am going to try a setting of no target pc with only a max pitch count and a raised pull rating. I am assuming this would leave them in up until their max pc unless they are struggling correct?

I think your explanation is how many people (including myself really) thought of the pitch counts working, but it looks like they work a little differently. Your remedy may be just the solution.

I dont understand the complaint, you saw it happening and you didnt raise the pitch counts. Clearly if the guy is routinely hitting his pitch count without giving up much, he can go another 10-15 pitches Do 95/110..or even 95/95). 80/95 is a very low pitch count for a legit big league starter, and if you are relying on guys with those counts to win, you better have a damn good bullpen.