Can’t see international prospects Topic

mdymond
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Perhaps some veterans can help me understand why a team in my world BIG LEAGUE is able to see and sign a guy before I do when I spend 33% more on International scouting than they do.

Philadelphis signs Einar Silva on the international prospects , and I never even see him. Philly's International scouting is 12 million and mine is 16 million. How do I spending 33% more on international scouting then Philly and not even see this guy!!! I should be able to see all the prospects philly does plus 33% more that philly doesn't. Please help me understand the logic in this...
11/20/2009 2:38 PM
MikeT23
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You didn't have any scouts in that remote area of the Phillipines.
11/20/2009 2:40 PM
tecwrg
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It works the same as the amateur draft.

A higher IFA budget means that you'll see more IFA's than others with a lower IFA budget, and the projections will be more accurate.

But seeing "more IFA's" doesn't necessarily mean you'll be seeing "everybody the lower budget guys see plus some others". It just means more.

If you look at one example in isolation, it's easy to get ******. If you look at it as a whole, in the end the process works as designed.
11/20/2009 2:44 PM
eeyore1959
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Out of 100 prospects, you are probably seeing 60, and he is seeing 45. You will both miss out on 20, and you will both see on 25. I wouldn't be griping. Deal with it.
11/20/2009 2:48 PM
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Guy A buys 1 lottery ticket

Guy B buys 100 lottery tickets.

Is it possible that Guy A wins the lottery while Guy B does not win the lottery? Or will Guy B win the lottery 100 times before Guy A wins the lottery?
11/21/2009 1:22 PM
mdymond
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Scouting is not a lottery. Its not picking a ball out of a bucket. IF this is how HBD does it, its not realistic. In reality, a scouting department with more money (in this case 33% more), has not only more guys on the ground but more guys with better ability to forcast a player's ability. As well, they are USUALLY scouting the same pool of players. The only way a organization wouldn't even know about a player is if they have no presence in a particular country or a very small presence. I can't imagine a scouting department with 33% bigger budget (or 80% of the maximum allowed) would miss out on a prospect from the dominican republic. Anyway, if this is how it works, that's fine. I can live with it. Its just not realistic or probable
11/21/2009 3:34 PM
mdymond
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UPDATE: A different team in my world with only 6million in International scouting saw a international prospect that I also saw and I was bidding on for 5 days and even though I had the #1 bid for 5 days!!! they came in and offered more money right at the end and for the only time I was not the leading bidder, then the prospect signed with them. WFT??? I'm the leading bidder for 5 days and one team passes me and boom he signs with someone else. This is messed up.
11/21/2009 6:59 PM
tecwrg
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It's the way it works. Whether you like it or not.

About your concerns about not seeing everybody . . . look at it this way: teams with larger IFA scouting budgets that you are not seeing some of the guys you see. In the end, it all works out such that the higher the IFA budget, the more quality guys you will see.

If you're going to get hung up on one particular guy you're just going to make yourself nuts.
11/21/2009 7:15 PM
plague
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It might not be realistic but for game purposes it works out better than layering who sees which players based on how much they spend on scouting.

How would you decide which player a 14 Intl scouting team sees that a 10 Intl scouting team can't see? How about the 18 Intl scouting team? Which players does he see in comparison to the 14 or the 10 team?

Do you automatically see the top players, and then the less you spend the less you see working from the top down? Or visa versa?

None of those ways are realistic and they all provide possible problems.
11/21/2009 7:42 PM
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There is a big difference in HBD scouting and real MLB scouting. In real life, Baseball America's top 100 list (of draft eligibles) is quite different from who the top 100 MLBers turn out to be. In HBD, the lists are almost identical. There is a lot of luck and subjectivity to real scouting. There is no way that MLB teams really zero in on all the top prospects and there is no way that any MLB team will draft a player in an early round that they have not seen with their cross checkers and super scouts many times. I am not saying the current system in HBD doesn't need tweaking. But I don't agree with the many who say that all the top guys should be visible to all the teams. If that were to happen, the accurate current ratings would have to disappear and the projected ratings would have to be a lot fuzzier. Only then would having all the top guys on your board be realistic.
11/22/2009 10:09 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By ttnorm on 11/22/2009

There is a big difference in HBD scouting and real MLB scouting. In real life, Baseball America's top 100 list (of draft eligibles) is quite different from who the top 100 MLBers turn out to be. In HBD, the lists are almost identical. There is a lot of luck and subjectivity to real scouting. There is no way that MLB teams really zero in on all the top prospects and there is no way that any MLB team will draft a player in an early round that they have not seen with their cross checkers and super scouts many times. I am not saying the current system in HBD doesn't need tweaking. But I don't agree with the many who say that all the top guys should be visible to all the teams. If that were to happen, the accurate current ratings would have to disappear and the projected ratings would have to be a lot fuzzier. Only then would having all the top guys on your board be realistic.

i.e. Albert Pujols and the Cardinals. He was on hardly any draft boards except for the Cardinals, Colorado and Tampa Bay. (3 prime examples of teams that I highly doubt had the highest scouting budgets)

Find me one 13th round pick (402nd overall) that turns into the best player in HBD. Not going to happen.
11/23/2009 10:25 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by mdymond on 11/21/2009UPDATE: A different team in my world with only 6million in International scouting saw a international prospect that I also saw and I was bidding on for 5 days and even though I had the #1 bid for 5 days!!! they came in and offered more money right at the end and for the only time I was not the leading bidder, then the prospect signed with them. WFT??? I'm the leading bidder for 5 days and one team passes me and boom he signs with someone else. This is messed up.

sniped.
11/23/2009 11:45 AM
disaacs
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Quote: Originally Posted By mdymond on 11/21/2009 IF this is how HBD does it, its not realistic.


HBD can't mimic real-life in every aspect.
11/23/2009 1:45 PM
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I kinda sympathize with mdymond here. It's not like a super prospect from the DR would go unnoticed by ML scouts unless their budget was miniscule. DR is a hotbed of prospects all the time, both in real life and in HBD. It could happen, but I'd think the chances are pretty slight. The fact that it happened to him is extremely bad luck.
11/23/2009 2:01 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By torrone on 11/23/2009I kinda sympathize with mdymond here. It's not like a super prospect from the DR would go unnoticed by ML scouts unless their budget was miniscule. DR is a hotbed of prospects all the time, both in real life and in HBD. It could happen, but I'd think the chances are pretty slight. The fact that it happened to him is extremely bad luck
It happened with the arguably the greatest player in the game: Albert Pujols. Only three teams (with potentially low scouting budgets) thought he was worth looking at.

In real life MLB very good players will go unnoticed and fall deep into the draft or never get drafted at all - that is mainly due to the fact that real life players are judged only on things you can observe (arm strength, speed, hitting ability, etc) and past performance. The same principle works with internationals.

In HBD we have the distinct advantage of knowing what a player's future looks like with some certainty. We don't care that our 90+ projected SP is throwing a 5.67 era out there in his rookie season because we know that if we treat him right he will turn into the stud he should be. This is impossible to know in real life.

11/23/2009 3:06 PM
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