Twice in the last 5 seasons I've been fortunate enough to get to the title game, and on both occasions my program has been decimated by players leaving early for the NBA - losing 3 the 1st time and 4 the 2nd, leaving me with 7 and 9 vacancies respectively. Its always been kind of obvious that this was built into the program - the farther you went in the NT, the more likely you were to lose a player early. The question is, is this kind of program ruination the rule or the exception after a long NT run ...... because right now, I'm wondering what the point is.

And does this ever happen to the 'elite' teams?

Hoops Dynasty is an oxymoron.

The designers have programmed the game to be anything but.

Its the rule. and its moronic, as it makes the team better/stronger, not worse/weaker.

after a deep run a team has a high prestige. now add a few EE's and the team has six scholarships to fill. NO ONE is going to try and pick off those recruits. An A prestige school with $110k to spend?? They basically get to draft their team.

People always ***** how it decimates their team. They still have 5-6 superstars. Add in six of the best FR recruits and they're on their way to another deep run....

Without EE's, so what, the team wins another title the next season. BUT, they only have three open scholarships. With $60k and targeting three top recruits, they will surely have trouble getting all three targets.

EE make it easier to maintain a dynasty not harder.

Polo, you know I love you, but I think that's crazy.

I appreciate the point you're trying to make, but when you take a team primed to make a very deep run the following season and contend for a NT, and then rip away their returning core early, you can't spin that into an overall positive.

I appreciate your glass-half-full approach, but that's not the reality.

dont disagree with your point. and i agree its more difficult to make a deep run the next season after an NT championship.

but the point of EE's was to "level the playing field" and prevent dynasties from taking over a world. And it does no such thing. It makes it MUCH easier to maintain a dynasty. It is very, very easy to recruit every season with an A prestige, six openings, and over $100k in spending money.

Now what makes this not-so-crazy is that we are in the "potential era" of HD. Pre-potential if your JR class was decimated you had no chance of repeating. Your incoming JR class was only half developed and their IQ's were in the B range. Currently, your incoming JR class is fully developed. So their only drawback is that B IQ. Well the team will probably still make the NT. By that time those IQ's will be in the B+/A- range. Where's the drawback?

EE's may allow for a slight downturn after a deep run. But that just means a 2nd round/S16 exit followed by a FF run the next season.

You're hugely overstating things imo. I've seen teams that would've been NT favorites be relegated to the PIT (Texas-Allen from last season comes to mind).

Quite honestly, there is nothing more crushing in HD than having what should be a big season approaching that you've literally been working up to for months, only to have it crushed by a bunch of early entries.

texas is the perfect example. yes, i'll admit, they had a down season. they JUST missed the NT where they probably would have been a 2ndRD/S16 team. Instead they got snubbed and made the PI. where they won 5 games and took home the title.

But take a look at their team this season. . . I would say one of the top five teams in allen. It was just a one season delay on being the NT favorite. But that one season delay is making it easier for them to maintain their dynasty, not harder.

all i'm saying is EE's are not doing what they were intended to do. And that was to make it more difficult to maintain a dynasty

dont know how you cant see the insane advantage having six open scholarships gives a team.

granted, there have been instances where teams are completely decimated and are with three or so athletes. this is completely moronic, but quite rare. Usually teams are with at least five to six players on their roster. And five or six players is more than enough when coupled with the #1 PG, #2SF, #1PF, and #3 C that the hypothetical team would be recruiting and getting next season.

"Twice in the last 5 seasons I've been fortunate enough to get to the title game"

-- hardly sounds like your program was ruined.

But Marko, most of these teams we're talking about are going to be good year-in, year-out. Texas, Stanford, UConn, etc. etc. (I'm talking Allen) ... they're going to be really good over the long haul no matter what, that I think we agree on.

What they're being robbed of is their potential NT run. And at this level of HD, that's what people are playing for. That's huge.

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I think if EE's were eliminated we would see more B prestige schools getting five-star recruits. Instead of having 30 teams with a legit shot at the NT, there would be 60. Eliminating EEs would create more competition at the upper echelon of DI. Exactly what WIS intended to do when instituting them.

I agree with daalter. sorry polo. having 6 open schollies is much more challenging than say 3-4 at the NC level prestiges.

In Rupp - I miraculously only lost one PF to EE last season after losing in the NC game. Got to an A+ prestige, recruited the 3 bestrecruits in the region.... untouched, and carried over 25% of the 50k I had remaining in cash. didn't need 6 open schollies worth of cash to keep coaches away.

this season I win the NC and lose a frosh SG (8 mpg, 2.2 ppg and I was depending on him for this season - unreal!!!) and a Soph C (I had no idea was going to leave - again - under 10 ppg). Somehow the 930 rated junior (my top scorer last season) stayed on the team. Anyways, I lose these two unexpectedly to EE plus 4 SRs.

Now I am going into next season w/ zero SGs, 1 PG, 2 SFs, 2PFs, 1 C. The EEs completely changed my game strategy. Infact - I'm now going to start 2 SFs, one at SG, when I tactfully recruited the SG last season to avoid this scenario. Local SG talent is not great this season which hurts. Now my team is going with 6 players sporting poor IQs. Also there are not 6 TOP recruits in the area... but there are 4. I will dip a little lower than normal to get the last two.

I would have much rather kept my EEs... trust me. Its not easier because I have a large class coming in. If not for losing the EEs this season - I would have recruited the top 4 local players and had 8 players w/ the BBIQ to make a go at another NC this season.... not so much the case anymore.

Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 11/28/2009

Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 11/28/200
But Marko, most of these teams we're talking about are going to be good year-in, year-out. Texas, Stanford, UConn, etc. etc. (I'm talking Allen) ... they're going to be really good over the long haul no matter what, that I think we agree on.

What they're being robbed of is their potential NT run. And at this level of HD, that's what people are playing for. That's huge.[/QUOTE]
actually, i think thats the main thing we dont agree on. They 'could' be really good over the long haul. But it shouldn't be no matter what. But EE's almost ensures it.

As much as we'd like to believe that game-planning has a huge effect on a game, its not that big. It does increase your chances. But going from a -2 to +1, and upping the distro on your SF because the opponent has bad defenders at SF will give you a 10%-15% better chance at winning. So if you had a 58% chance to win, now its up to 65%.

What make a huge difference is who's on your squad. Recruiting is a significant portion of this game. EE's make recruiting almost a draft. The biggest advantage in recruiting are high prestige's and lots of cash. So the biggest advantage you can get is having a high prestige, lots of openings, which equates to lots of cash to spend. For some this never comes around. For others with unbalanced classes, it comes around once every four seasons.

But with EE's the top programs in the nation get this advantage two, three, even four times in a four year period. Most of the time these coaches will go unchallenged for some of the top recruits in the nation. If you have a B prestige and half the money are you going to try and pick of one of their recruits?? Hell no.

Now, say that school didnt lose their JR's. Now they're an A prestige but only have 3 openings with a warchest of $55k. Now they might get some competition. They might lose a few battles. They might have to institute a more conservative recruiting strategy. So they win the NT this season. Four season's from now they might be struggling to make the PI.

polo - you are assuming these top rated recruits stay on 4 years and don't go EE themselves. whats the point of top rated recruits if they never make it to SR year?

again, I agree with dalt above. I don't want 6 great recruits that may be on the team as a SR that may be a championship team in 4 seasons.... I want it now. Losing multiple EEs hurts that chance for a follow up NT run the next season - which brings down my prestige - which means worse recruits next season - etc. As dalt stated - I'd rather have my potential NT run next season.... not get robbed of it next season in hopes of getting back in 4 seasons.

For the record, I wish I only had to come up with 6 recuits - I have to come up with 9 ...... but the question really was - is getting clobbered like that the exception or the rule?

plus, sometimes in spite of money and prestige there are no top recruits in your market, after just getting EE'd for both my starting guards (jr and so), I find zero top guards within a couple of hundred miles - it is a false assumption that you will bring in the #1,2,3,4,5 recruits in the country just because you got EE'd.

each season 3 or 4 coaches get EE'd in each world, I would guess at best, 1 coach actually comes out of the ordeal in just as good or better shape, the other 3 pretty well are out of contention for that season, maybe the next one too.

that being said, I have not really heard great alternatives to EE's, if you let some of these coaches who are drafting the top 5 players in their markets whenever they want keep the guys for 4 seasons, some of these guys are going to assemble 1000 rated teams