I'd have sworn that somewhere there was a thread discussing the various eval language, what it meant in terms of potential level, and then what those potential levels meant in terms of actual numbers. What is the improvement range for a high-high, etc...

For an example here are the 5 evaluations for rebounding:

* there's no reason to NOT expect HUGE improvement here.
* based on my experience, he can still improve substantially if we work with him and he's willing.
* good upside if he works at it.
* probably not going to see much improvement.
* I don't see any upside here.

The first evaluation indicates a 30+ point possible improvement
The second is a big upside which should result in a 20-30 point gain
The third, average, should end up around 5-19 points
The low upside will max out within 5 points
The low-low is rare to even see 1 point gains

thx

i agree with iguana. if there are small discrepancies between what he said and the excerpt i am about to post (from a much larger site mail i once wrote), go with what he said.

excerpt:
I hope everybody scouts before they recruit a player! There are rare exceptions, but 99% of the time, you can't afford to sign a player without knowing his potential. The range on potential is low 0-6, med 6-20, high 20+. Also, low and high are divided into 2 categories, which you can only determine via evals. Low is divided into approx. 0-3 and 3-6, High is divided into approx 20-30 and 30+. One thing that can get tricky is determining the meaning of an eval message regarding potential. For your convenience, here is a list of the high high and low high message for each attribute:
Ath
Definitely wasn't the best athlete on the floor - unless I'm an idiot and/or this is the laziest kid ever, we can *dramatically* improve his athleticism.
Good athleticism - I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he could improve substantially if he really works at it.
Spd
if he works hard at it, we could see *massive* improvement here
with the right diet and conditioning he could be MUCH quicker than he is today
Reb
Fantastic rebounding instincts - there's no reason to NOT expect HUGE improvement here.
based on my experience, he can still improve substantially if we work with him and he's willing.
Def
I really think we could see massive improvement by his Senior year.
if he's willing to listen, we could really see some major improvement.
Sb
he's shown glimpses of raw ability which make me think he just has *tremendous* room for improvement
has a LOT of room for growth with the right drills and coaching. / definitely has above average room for growth with the right drills and coaching
Lp
skys the limit
has a LOT of room for growth with the right drills and coaching.
Per
I see such solid fundamentals that with enough practice I don't see why he can't be a *significantly* better shooter than he is today
I know this may sound crazy, but I think he has the potential to really improve his shot.
Bh
he has the raw skills to make me think he has *tremendous* upside.
with the right drills and assuming he's willing to put in the time, I see big upside
Pass
with more experience I expect to see TREMENDOUS improvement.
I'd like to see him play more, but still, I really think we could see fairly significant improvement.
Sta
with the right diet and drills, I think we can see a *dramatic* change in his conditioning
even with that, I think we can really improve upon his conditioning
FT%
the fundamentals look solid, with time and coaching, he could really show some improvement. - i only have this message saved for some reason, i assume this is the low/high, but i am not 100%.

gil, thanks for that I am going to quote it into the new coaches guide if that is ok with you, unless you'd like to put it there.

Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 12/29/2009gil, thanks for that I am going to quote it into the new coaches guide if that is ok with you, unless you'd like to put it there.

go right ahead. i've posted it a couple times in various forms, i figure the more people who see it, the better :)

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Bump. This is what I was looking for sort of. Had anyone made a complete list yet?

i was planning on it, but stopped with the lows and mediums because given the highs, the rest are so obvious (at least after you've read a few)

Bump for Zhawks. The info in the 4th post here is something that I would love to get put in your thread.

one thing i wanted to say is that i don't think high/high is 30+ pts of improvement. i think its 25, maybe. i've had some high/high guys with real good work ethics just stop improving at like 25ish, even after i keep practicing it after the practice email.

I don't think the post above captures all of the possible responses. I think there are maybe 7 of them?

For example, there is one for "high-normal" that shows up for ratings that are listed as normal in FSS but the assistant coach then tells you is high in the "player thoughts."

Edit: The response is: "with practice we should see some improvement"

In my experience, that means the potential is exactly 20 points (the highest possible "normal" value).

Quote: Originally Posted By srunstro on 1/26/2010I don't think the post above captures all of the possible responses.

For example, there is one for "high-normal" that shows up for ratings that are listed as normal in FSS but the assistant coach then tells you is high in the "player thoughts."

In my experience, that means the potential is exactly 20 points (the highest possible "normal" value).

I'm going to be on the lookout for this. It actually happens pretty regularly that guys in FSS are average and then come in with "big upside." Hopefully next time it happens I'll have done scouting trips for that player.

Yes, it happens quite frequently.

What I've noticed is the ranges for FSS and the assistant coach aren't exactly the same. FSS "High" starts at 21, while Ast. coach "High" starts at 20.

The guys who "change" all max out at 20, and get the "with practice we should see some improvement" in evals.

I believe there is a similar thing with low/normal in potential of 5/6.

Ok, maybe I shouldn't have questioned Iguana.

I just looked through all the evals in my inbox and I don't see any additional responses for RB.

I'm still not completely convinced that there are only five, but the evidence suggests it. Perhaps I've been confused because there are 5 for each rating.

I guess 5 does make some sense too - high-high, high-normal, normal, low-normal, low-low.

That would mean that high-normal basically means "around 20" and low-normal means "around 5."

Then, if you combine it with the FSS ratings, you actually get 7 different categories. For example, high-normal eval + high FSS means 21-25, while high-normal eval + normal FSS means 16-20.

That would give you rough ranges of something like:

• 0-2: Low FSS, " I don't see any upside here."
• 3-5: Low FSS, "probably not going to see much improvement."
• 6-10: Average FSS, "probably not going to see much improvement."
• 11-15: Average FSS, "good upside if he works at it."
• 16-20: Average FSS "based on my experience, he can still improve substantially if we work with him and he's willing."
• 21-30: High FSS, "based on my experience, he can still improve substantially if we work with him and he's willing."
• 30+: High FSS, "there's no reason to NOT expect HUGE improvement here."
  

Does that seem about right to people?

Ok, I've overthought this enough for one day.

Bump for me :)