you actually signed Esq. to a forum post. am i seeing things?

Quote: Originally Posted By namshub on 12/30/2009you actually signed Esq. to a forum post. am i seeing things

I posted the e-mail I sent, which was from my work address so that's an automatic signature. But I didn't delete it, if that's what you're asking.

Let me get this straight. You think that A+ prestige schools should win all recruiting battles, regardless of effort?

You got outspent, maybe by 2 to 1. And you lost.

I think a real recruit might pick a NC State over a UNC if UNC offered him the regular amount of effort and the NC State said, "We want to build our program around you," which seems to be what happened. That doesn't seem that ridiculous to me.

Quote: Originally Posted By cornfused on 12/30/2009Let me get this straight. You think that A+ prestige schools should win all recruiting battles, regardless of effort?

You got outspent, maybe by 2 to 1. And you lost.

I think a real recruit might pick a NC State over a UNC if UNC offered him the regular amount of effort and the NC State said, "We want to build our program around you," which seems to be what happened. That doesn't seem that ridiculous to me

I didn't lose, actually - and I promised him a starting spot and 15 minutes of playing time. I'm not saying A+ schools should win every battle, but it shouldn't even be a battle with a school that hasn't done anything, making the same promises as a school that just got 6 guys into the NBA.

Michael Beasley went to K-State.

OJ Mayo went to USC.

I could go on, but I don't need to because this argument is silly.

A+ teams have plenty of advantage. Just because they have difficult battles here or there doesn't mean the pendulum should be swung any farther to their side.

OJ Mayo called the coach at USC and recruited himself, because it was a major media market. Michael Beasley was following his AAU coach, who had been made an assistant at KState. Those don't relate to WIS.

Color: It happens a good but not great team put most of his resources into one player. You had to allocate a large percentage to keep him. That is what the game is really about allocation of resources. If we make it where the middle of the road teams have NO CHANCE against the big boys.,, it would be to the detriment of the game HD has problems. This is not one of them

Quote: Originally Posted By kannc6 on 12/30/2009
Color: It happens a good but not great team put most of his resources into one player. You had to allocate a large percentage to keep him. That is what the game is really about allocation of resources. If we make it where the middle of the road teams have NO CHANCE against the big boys.,, it would be to the detriment of the game HD has problems. This is not one of them

Season	Coach	Overall W-L	Home W-L	Road W-L	Neutral W-L	Conf W-L	Rank	RPI	Prestige	Notes
36	[redacted]	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0		0	-
35	[redacted]	18-10	11-4	6-5	1-1	9-7		104	B-
34	[redacted]	16-13	9-5	7-7	0-1	7-9		84	B-	PI (2nd Round)
33	[redacted]	15-13	10-4	4-8	1-1	6-10		90	B-
32	[redacted]	15-13	10-4	5-8	0-1	8-8		81	B-	PI (1st Round)
31	[redacted]	9-18	5-7	4-10	0-1	7-9		147	B-
30	[redacted]	19-13	10-4	7-8	2-1	6-10		42	B	PI Champion
29	[redacted]	8-19	6-7	2-11	0-1	4-12		210	C+
28	[redacted]	14-14	8-7	5-6	1-1	8-8		130	B-
27	[redacted]	10-17	6-9	4-7	0-1	6-10		132	B

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This is mediocre at best, far from "good." If he were in a different conference his prestige would be a C, not a B-minus.

I'm sure you can figure out who the other coach is but I figured it might be extra unsportsmanlike to plaster this on the main page here.

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compare with...

Season	Coach	Overall W-L	Home W-L	Road W-L	Neutral W-L	Conf W-L	Rank	RPI	Prestige	Notes
36	colorblind79	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0		0	-
35	colorblind79	32-3	14-1	10-1	8-1	14-2	2	1	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Championship Game)
34	colorblind79	21-9	10-2	9-5	2-2	12-4	15	6	A	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)
33	colorblind79	17-11	10-3	7-6	0-2	10-6		33	A	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
32	colorblind79	26-6	11-2	11-2	4-2	13-3	9	3	A	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)
31	colorblind79	24-9	12-3	6-5	6-1	11-5	9	14	A-	CT Champion NT (Elite 8)
30	colorblind79	12-16	11-4	0-11	1-1	5-11		118	B
29	colorblind79	17-13	8-6	7-5	2-2	9-7		45	B+	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
28	colorblind79	17-11	10-5	6-5	1-1	9-7		109	B+
27	Sim AI	4-23	4-8	0-14	0-1	1-15		251	A

Quote: Originally Posted By colorblind79 on 12/30/2009
OJ Mayo called the coach at USC and recruited himself, because it was a major media market. Michael Beasley was following his AAU coach, who had been made an assistant at KState. Those don't relate to WIS.

CB, nice deflection. There are hundreds of examples over the years of top players going to second tier schools, and there are thousands of examples of top players almost going to second tier schools over first tier schools, which is what it sounds like happened in your case. I don't see why either shouldn't happen in a college basketball SIM every once in a while.

Maryland just landed the #4, #22 and #34 overall players. You're seriously complaining that recruiting isn't easy enough?

Prestige power in recruiting is fine. No need to give the As any more power then they already do, it would be crippling to many schools. The only valid complaint that might relate to prestige is the fact that in HD they can't recruit nationwide and irl they can.

Ok mediocre then, but still the opinion of the vast majority of coaches is that the top programs (and I have A and A- prestige D-1 teams) get a pretty good deal.

Now we can argue recruiting is broken and A+, A schools should recruit nationally. (yes they should), but top players go all the time to less than A+ schools IRL and it comes off as crying that you had to spend some $$ to land a top player

I'll be blunt with my opinion: Hamstringing mediocre teams in elite conferences even more than they already are from going after top tier talent is an awful idea. It would make the rich even richer and the poor even poorer, resulting in even less competitive BCS conferences.

Keeping a big name DI BCS school at A or A+ prestige is one of the easiest things to do in this game (getting there is the hard part), so let's not make it even easier.

Quote: Originally Posted By fussyd on 12/30/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By colorblind79 on 12/30/2009

OJ Mayo called the coach at USC and recruited himself, because it was a major media market. Michael Beasley was following his AAU coach, who had been made an assistant at KState. Those don't relate to WIS.

CB, nice deflection. There are hundreds of examples over the years of top players going to second tier schools, and there are thousands of examples of top players almost going to second tier schools over first tier schools, which is what it sounds like happened in your case. I don't see why either shouldn't happen in a college basketball SIM every once in a while.

Maryland just landed the #4, #22 and #34 overall players. You're seriously complaining that recruiting isn't easy enough?

Considering that this is essentially a blind auction, without Herb Pope type irrationality entering into it, with no automatic "yes" from guys who grew up dreaming about playing at your school, and no realistic use of booster gifts (or sexual favors from "hostesses", or whatever)...yeah, it's a pain in the *** that my little brother from Charlottesville doesn't content himself with three-star guys and the occasional four-star guy that neither I nor Georgetown wants, for whatever reason, and keeps diving for my knees.

This isn't the real world, where College Park, Maryland is a run-down town on the outskirts of DC, with crappy restaurants, three bars, and no charm outside of the campus itself; and Charlottesville is literally labelled as the best town to live in in America. That's not included in here - this is purely about who has the prestige from their program, and who has the scholarships open to recruit guys. I had 3 more scholarships than he did, and loads more to offer. Was it too hard? I wouldn't say so if I was battling Georgetown, an A-minus school. We're talking about a 1 and 2/3 grade difference in prestige here. These are different leagues. He should be in the kiddie pool, where he belongs.

Quote: Originally Posted By colorblind79 on 12/30/2009
Considering that this is essentially a blind auction,

Exactly, so why shouldn't there be a system in which Mr. Deep Pockets gets pushed every once in a while?