Practice!

But when your Sr. Center returns with ratings of 98-100 in Reb/Def/Bl/Lp

AND he's tapped out in the other skills (thanks to the new potential limitations)

AND he's got a 3.4 GPA

AND he's got A+ IQs,

then... how does he PRACTICE? Where do all those minutes go?

How was this accounted for in the Grand Design?

I do think it's ridiculous that players reach some cap and then can't get better.

That's just incredibly unrealistic.

I don't mind potential, and I don't mind a cap, but I think it should be harder to reach the cap. I haven't been following the new updates, maybe that's a part of it.

Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 1/17/2010
I do think it's ridiculous that players reach some cap and then can't get better.

That's just incredibly unrealistic.

I don't mind potential, and I don't mind a cap, but I think it should be harder to reach the cap. I haven't been following the new updates, maybe that's a part of it.

I think the problem is that the ratings are probably too high to begin with.

Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 1/17/2010
I do think it's ridiculous that players reach some cap and then can't get better.

That's just incredibly unrealistic.

I don't mind potential, and I don't mind a cap, but I think it should be harder to reach the cap. I haven't been following the new updates, maybe that's a part of it.

It is, isack. We'll cross our fingers that it's implemented correctly and logically.

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 1/17/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 1/17/2010

I do think it's ridiculous that players reach some cap and then can't get better.

That's just incredibly unrealistic.

I don't mind potential, and I don't mind a cap, but I think it should be harder to reach the cap. I haven't been following the new updates, maybe that's a part of it.

It is, isack. We'll cross our fingers that it's implemented correctly and logically

Good, I think that's the right move by seble.

I join you in crossing fingers, chanting, and any other ritual that prevents a poor implementation :)

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See, COlonels? YOu said somethign and people aren't jumping on your for it. I would agree (mostly) with Schro. I woudl like a version where the cap was turned into a 'point of diminishing returns' where the efficiency of further practice on that particular rating diminished rapidly once you pased the cap, rather than being a shutoff valve.

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I think an easy fix for potential, or a way to still increase a players attributes even when he's maxed out in 'potential, would be to have 'summer leagues'. Not a real league, of course, but a few days after recruiting where you have 100 minutes or so of alloted playing time to spread out on all of your players. Pretty much all college players play in summer leagues, so this would be a way to see juniors and seniors increase their skills a bit. Put all of your minutes on your studs and watch them grow...but your other players will suffer.

Hope this makes sense. It seemed like a good idea when I first thought of it. LOL.

No one in RL has ever gotten better in the pros than they were in college. So maybe absolutely maxing out an HD player's skill(s), by say their junior year in college, makes sense.

However, there is something which changes significantly once you get to the Pros: The level of competition. And increased competition leads to more growth than the same level of competition.

there has always been diminishing returns as ratings get high

I believe that there are now diminishing returns as one approaches a cap value

I agree that starting ratings should be a smidge lower so that it would take longer to get to caps

BUT, I disagree with those who say that a hard cap is wrong - I believe that there are limits to improvement - my college roommate ran marathons, later he ran ultramarathons - he ran 6 miles a day on "rest" days - 20 miles on "hard" days - he was a training maniac

in intramurals, he could run no better than a 6 minute mile - now, he could run 25 of them, but even when he spent weeks trying to work on his sprinting speed - he could not get under 6 mins...

think about kids who you've watched play in college - do they all improve every year? now do we model that as failure to practice or limited work ethic or hitting some cap on their ability? dont know

ooops, forgot, we are talking about practice?

Keep in mind, not saying there shouldn't be more improvement over a longer period of their career, but arguing that the fact they improve in the NBA means they should also improve at the same rate in college does not necessarily follow.

Quote: Originally posted by a_in_the_b on 1/18/2010Keep in mind, not saying there shouldn't be more improvement over a longer period of their career, but arguing that the fact they improve in the NBA means they should also improve at the same rate in college does not necessarily follow.

It needn't be the same rate. And starting at lower levels makes sense.

But, again, what's the scheme? What's the plan? What do you do with 80-90 mins of skill practice time, when your guy is topped out on one end and tapped out on the other end? (It seems that ath/speed, etc, are about the only skills where you don't get mail from your AC saying STOP wasting mins there. And yet, those might be the actual toughest things to improve.)