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STARTERS MIN FGM-A FGM3-A FTM-A OFF REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
Michael Graham, c 26 1-1 0-0 0-0 1 2 0 0 1 0 4 2
Paul Sevenbergen, c 35 0-1 0-0 0-0 1 6 3 0 2 2 1 0
Nathaniel Foster, sf 32 24-30 17-20 4-5 0 3 0 5 2 1 2 69
Joseph Self, sg 34 0-3 0-2 0-0 0 2 5 1 0 0 1 0
Edgar Taylor, pg 35 0-0 0-0 0-0 1 4 15 1 2 0 3 0
BENCH MIN FGM-A FGM3-A FTM-A OFF REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
Evan Morrow, c 14 0-1 0-0 0-0 2 6 0 0 1 1 1 0
Patrick Rowe, sf 5 2-3 0-0 3-4 1 4 0 1 0 0 0 7
Jason Brown, pg 5 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
Donald Shaw, pf 5 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Carl Joyce, sg 5 0-0 0-0 1-2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Scott Narron, sf 4 2-2 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 4
Totals 200 29-42 17-22 8-11 6 28 24 9 9 4 12 83
Percentages .690 .773 .727


Lawrence (12-11, 7-6)
STARTERS MIN FGM-A FGM3-A FTM-A OFF REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
Michael Trower, c 17 2-4 0-0 0-0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 4
Joseph Gregory, pf 16 1-4 0-0 1-2 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 3
Richard Holder, sf 12 0-2 0-1 0-0 0 0 1 1 0 0 2 0
Walter Bouchard, pg 16 1-3 0-0 0-0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 2
Joel Funderburk, pg 17 1-1 0-0 0-0 0 0 3 2 0 0 0 2
BENCH MIN FGM-A FGM3-A FTM-A OFF REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
Brian Murdock, pg 22 2-5 1-3 2-4 0 1 2 2 0 0 1 7
Patrick Frazier, pf 20 5-7 0-0 0-0 3 4 1 1 0 0 1 10
Paul Johannes, sg 20 2-5 0-3 0-0 0 2 0 1 0 0 4 4
Richard Jozwiak, c 20 1-7 0-1 0-0 1 3 0 0 1 0 1 2
Dean Adams, pf 17 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 2 0 1 0 0
John Ordaz, sg 12 1-1 1-1 1-4 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 4
Joseph Smith, sf 11 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 0 0 0 3 0
Totals 200 16-40 2-9 4-10 4 13 14 11 1 1 13 38
Percentages .400 .222 .400



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1/21/2010 11:16 AM
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If you played more human coaches this season, Foster would be shooting about 30% from downtown.
1/21/2010 11:34 AM
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Yeah, you have to take any stat against a 370 SOS with a grain of salt.
1/21/2010 11:41 AM
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5 guys playing all the minutes with one guy taking all the shots on a team you recruited and coached several seasons is not gonna get alot of respect or positive responses around here.
1/21/2010 12:41 PM
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Assuming we are talking about D3, I had a guy a few years ago named William Richardson in Phelan who was 70ath, 60sp, 93PER, 56bh, 53passing or something like that. He actually didn't end up with that impressive of 3-point shooting numbers, but I still played motion and relatively evenly distributed the ball in addition to playing a perennial top 10 schedule.

edit: looks like he shot just over 40% for his career and shot 850 3s.
1/21/2010 12:44 PM
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Postma is season 41, shot 47.9% from three for my Rhode Island team. Probably the best three point shooter i ever had on one of my teams , hopefully he can shoot that this season.

Edit: Holy Crapola 850 3's man what were you running unlv or loyola marymount type offense.
1/21/2010 12:47 PM
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i hate to be a hater, dw, but im really scratchin my head over what you have done with this team.

i see that you had a year off last year so the 370 SOS is not your fault, but why you would take a pretty good team with a real shot at an NT biid, and at worst should be a PIT team and turn them into this is beyond me.


yeah, your SF does have some impressive stats, but this team, against this schedule, should have only one or two losses.

i know its your money, your team, but i just hate to see talent wasted like this.

and, in the end, i think, your SF does not really get the credit for being the great playr that he clearly is. becuase the team just didnt accomplish anything. if he had averaged 20-25 ppg, and probably shot over 50% from the floor and behid the arc. and lead his team to an NT or at least PIT bid... then i think you could have started this same thread and gotten no argument about the greatness of this player.

1/21/2010 1:10 PM
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Also, you see his true colors against real people where he shoots like 35% on average it seems.
1/21/2010 1:14 PM
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I guess I'll be a hater, what talent do you see that I'm missing?

Almost no speed/def, minimal reb/pass/bh/per. About all I see is big man ath. I don't even see five guys I would want on my team. Maybe he could have been better against that schedule, but that is not an NT team, in my opinion.
1/21/2010 1:16 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by oldave on 1/21/2010i hate to be a hater, dw, but im really scratchin my head over what you have done with this team.i see that you had a year off last year so the 370 SOS is not your fault, but why you would take a pretty good team with a real shot at an NT biid, and at worst should be a PIT team and turn them into this is beyond me.
yeah, your SF does have some impressive stats, but this team, against this schedule,  should have only one or two losses.  i know its your money, your team, but i just hate to see talent wasted like this.and, in the end, i think, your SF does not really get the credit for being the great playr that he clearly is.   becuase the team just didnt accomplish anything.  if he had averaged 20-25 ppg, and probably shot over 50% from the floor and behid the arc.  and lead his team to an NT or at least PIT bid... then i think you could have started this same thread and gotten no argument about the greatness of this player. 

yea i know, last guy didnt recruit.. and i havent played this game long enough,, i guess i was just neive. and figured what the hell if he can shoot like this il let him.. olddave, im still trying to figure this stuff out,, but yea,, im going to change stuff up and give myself a shot late in the season. (hopefully do good in the conf tourny and get a shot at the PIT at least.. olddave, could you pm me any suggestions on how to make this team work,,
1/21/2010 1:24 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by dreamweaver1 on 1/21/2010
Quote: Originally posted by oldave on 1/21/2010i hate to be a hater, dw, but im really scratchin my head over what you have done with this team.i see that you had a year off last year so the 370 SOS is not your fault, but why you would take a pretty good team with a real shot at an NT biid, and at worst should be a PIT team and turn them into this is beyond me.yeah, your SF does have some impressive stats, but this team, against this schedule,  should have only one or two losses.  i know its your money, your team, but i just hate to see talent wasted like this.and, in the end, i think, your SF does not really get the credit for being the great playr that he clearly is.   becuase the team just didnt accomplish anything.  if he had averaged 20-25 ppg, and probably shot over 50% from the floor and behid the arc.  and lead his team to an NT or at least PIT bid... then i think you could have started this same thread and gotten no argument about the greatness of this player. 
yea i know, last guy didnt recruit.. and i havent played this game long enough,, i guess i was just neive. and figured what the hell if he can shoot like this il let him.. olddave, im still trying to figure this stuff out,, but yea,, im going to change stuff up and give myself a shot late in the season. (hopefully do good in the conf tourny and get a shot at the PIT at least.. olddave, could you pm me any suggestions on how to make this team work,,


my first recommendation would be to quit with the double commas
1/21/2010 1:54 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dreamweaver1 on 1/21/2010

Quote: Originally posted by oldave on 1/21/2010

i hate to be a hater, dw, but im really scratchin my head over what you have done with this team.

i see that you had a year off last year so the 370 SOS is not your fault, but why you would take a pretty good team with a real shot at an NT biid, and at worst should be a PIT team and turn them into this is beyond me.


yeah, your SF does have some impressive stats, but this team, against this schedule, should have only one or two losses.

i know its your money, your team, but i just hate to see talent wasted like this.

and, in the end, i think, your SF does not really get the credit for being the great playr that he clearly is. becuase the team just didnt accomplish anything. if he had averaged 20-25 ppg, and probably shot over 50% from the floor and behid the arc. and lead his team to an NT or at least PIT bid... then i think you could have started this same thread and gotten no argument about the greatness of this player.

yea i know, last guy didnt recruit.. and i havent played this game long enough,, i guess i was just neive. and figured what the hell if he can shoot like this il let him.. olddave, im still trying to figure this stuff out,, but yea,, im going to change stuff up and give myself a shot late in the season. (hopefully do good in the conf tourny and get a shot at the PIT at least.. olddave, could you pm me any suggestions on how to make this team work,,

How can you blame the last guy by saying he didn't recruit? You had 3 openings this year and took 3 walkons. YOU didn't recruit.

Also, work on your English skills.
1/21/2010 2:11 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 1/21/2010
I guess I'll be a hater, what talent do you see that I'm missing?

Almost no speed/def, minimal reb/pass/bh/per. About all I see is big man ath. I don't even see five guys I would want on my team. Maybe he could have been better against that schedule, but that is not an NT team, in my opinion.

i think you are out of touch with D3, isa... hes got some good players, and it is a very experienced team and has some decent depth (that he is not using) despite the walkons.

Im not sayng they are going to win the NC... but there are very few teams that have the combination of a very solid PG, a scoring machine at SF, and a great rebounder at C, plus six other players who can do a decent job for you in spurts.

it may be that talent level in d3 has dropped sicne you played there, isa... this team is not that bad, definitely a top100 team.
1/21/2010 2:33 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 1/21/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 1/21/2010

I guess I'll be a hater, what talent do you see that I'm missing?

Almost no speed/def, minimal reb/pass/bh/per. About all I see is big man ath. I don't even see five guys I would want on my team. Maybe he could have been better against that schedule, but that is not an NT team, in my opinion.

i think you are out of touch with D3, isa... hes got some good players, and it is a very experienced team and has some decent depth (that he is not using) despite the walkons.

Im not sayng they are going to win the NC... but there are very few teams that have the combination of a very solid PG, a scoring machine at SF, and a great rebounder at C, plus six other players who can do a decent job for you in spurts.

it may be that talent level in d3 has dropped sicne you played there, isa... this team is not that bad, definitely a top100 team.

I've made it to at least the second round in Wooden D3 with Hamline the past four years, and I know you know that is a decent accomplishment. I don't think I'm out of touch at all.

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=3795

That's a borderline top 100 team, maybe, but not anywhere near a tourney team, in my opinion. Of course, you're a very good, very experienced coach, so you have plenty of right to disagree, and maybe you're right.
1/21/2010 3:15 PM
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sorry, isa, didnt realize you had an alias.

assuming that there are not more aliai,,,, and that Hamline is your only d3 team.... the argument might still hold, in as slightly different way.

although my Ibacan pride can barely stand to admit it, the truth is that Iba-D3 is a shell of its former self. and, if things have not changeed in the past few seasons, WoodenD3 is one of the strongest , if not THE strongest of all the D3 worlds.

So, while dw's team may not have a chance to make the NT in Wooden, they might in iba.

Now, with all that said, I will agree that they are slightly weaker than i first thought, considering the ultra-slow PG and lack of a backup ballhandler. still, in todays IbaD3 where there arenot that many humans, and even fewer good humans, this team shoudl be a borderline NT team. granted, they would need to do everything right and maybe get a couple of breaks here and there. and im not sure what 26-3 does for you with a 300sos... im guessing its close to 50-60rpi? (i realize thier sos is 370 now, but they have reg season games with 14rpi and 78rpi and may have to play both again in the CT)

the big questions in my mind are:

are they better than beloit(78rpi)? the problem is that Beloit is in the opposite division and their one game is at Beloit. thats prolly a game they would need to win and they might need a few breaks to do it.

could they sneak one win against St Norberts? in a perfect world, they would play StNs 3 times. im not sure they are good enough to sneak a W against this solid top15 team. Beloit was able to go into STNs and get a W, but they needed all the breaks. StNs is a realdeal team that has won on the road versus the #1 team in the country plus another win at #15. and whose other tow losses are to really good top20 teams. i would guess that even with the perfect gameplan, dw just does not have enough to stop StNs unless they just get alot of breaks.

so, then the other questions is whether they could have won all of thier other games, i say yes, yes a thousand times yes. all these other teams are 100+ rpi and the vast majority are sim-coached. i know it can be tough to avoid the upset nightin nightout, but i think Monmouth had a big enough talent adevantage in all the other games to do it.

anyways, its all specualtion at this point. and i do see where you are coming from, ike, and i cold be wrong, but i think this could be a bubble team if all the right strings were pulled. and at the very worst, a PIT team. in Iba? yes definitely at least a PIT team ... definitely
1/21/2010 4:08 PM
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