Type A Priority RSF thread Topic

go at it!
2/11/2010 10:44 AM
Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 2/11/2010The "problem" with a dozen responses is that all of them have come from "successful" owners who feel they've gotten screwed for being successful.HBD is designed for everyone to have a chance to contend sooner rather than later. EVERY aspect of HBD is designed that way. Why would draft pick priority be different? Why should it?


Quote: Originally posted by schedule1 on 2/11/2010because that's not how it's done in MLB, mike. to take a page from your arguing school:

should we give bad teams a one-run lead in each game? should we boost the ratings of a few players on teams that try, but lose 90 games?

there are rules in place to have bad teams get better, just as there are in MLB. we don't need poorly-thought out, additional rules to make it happen.


Quote: Originally posted by hartjh14 on 2/11/2010There are a lot of things in this game that aren't like MLB. This is only one of them. If you're going to ***** about this one, you better start making a lot more threads about other rules that don't follow MLB.
2/11/2010 10:46 AM
i think there's more than enough in favor of poor teams to help a quick turnaround.

to me it's simple: the point of type A picks is to compensate a team for losing a quality player. but not all type A's are created equally, so there should be greater compensation for greater players lost.

Suppose I win 95 games and somebody maxes out my stud SP. I should be compensated more than the 94 win team that loses their mediocre workhorse RP for 1 yr $2M. I should also be compensated more than the 60 win team that loses the mediocre workhorse RP.
2/11/2010 10:50 AM
that one should take care of itself.
2/11/2010 11:02 AM
Yep. But not for a whole day.
2/11/2010 11:04 AM
Here's the problem with WIS' current logic. Let's suppose a team wins 57 games in one season. Then lets say that record nets him the #2 overall pick. If he lets a Type A walk and someone signs him with pick #17+, he would almost certainly get that 1st round pick unless the team with the worst record happens to sign a Type A from that same team.

So the team that just lost 57 games, lets his best FAs walk, which in theory would make his team worse. He would get a really good pick that season by virtue of his 57 wins, he would get another 1st round pick if people sign his Type A FAs and by making his team worse, he would almost certainly stand to lose as many games as the previous season netting him another top draft pick and Type A compensation priority the next season. Giving Type A compensation to the worst record teams clearly encourages tanking. If WIS gives two turds about tanking, they would review and change the way Type A compensation is awarded
2/11/2010 1:29 PM
Or you can just boot tankers from your world. Problem solved.
2/11/2010 1:32 PM
or how about this- a team that plans to tank signs 3-5 low end type A's under the age of 35 to 1 year deals so they are type A's the following offseason. if they finish with the worst record, they get the #1 pick and possibly multiple late first rounders.
2/11/2010 1:39 PM
In my experience, 35 year olds tend to lose ratings between seasons. But, if they're worth having, why wouldn't other teams be bidding on them?
2/11/2010 1:43 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By firemanrob on 2/11/2010

Here's the problem with WIS' current logic. Let's suppose a team wins 57 games in one season. Then lets say that record nets him the #2 overall pick. If he lets a Type A walk and someone signs him with pick #17+, he would almost certainly get that 1st round pick unless the team with the worst record happens to sign a Type A from that same team.

So the team that just lost 57 games, lets his best FAs walk, which in theory would make his team worse. He would get a really good pick that season by virtue of his 57 wins, he would get another 1st round pick if people sign his Type A FAs and by making his team worse, he would almost certainly stand to lose as many games as the previous season netting him another top draft pick and Type A compensation priority the next season. Giving Type A compensation to the worst record teams clearly encourages tanking. If WIS gives two turds about tanking, they would review and change the way Type A compensation is awarded

This just isn't true. Having Type A priority ensures 2 things. First, a very high sandwich pick, and second, the highest pick surrendered by the signing team. That pick, however, still has a 50/50 chance of being a second rounder (albeit in the top half of the round). Thus, no matter what your record was, even if you have absolute top Type A priority, losing a Type A FA doesn't gaurantee anything better than a pick in the 33-36 range (top sandwich pick depending on the # of 1st round Type Ds) and a pick in the top 16 (+ Type Ds) of Round 2, which could be in the 80s.

That doesn't mean that a better system for ordering Type As isn't available. But it just isn't true that bad teams are ensured of getting a #1 pick when they lose a Type A. It's a 50/50 proposition.
2/11/2010 1:47 PM
If Type A compensation is to be based on the departing FA "score", WIS would have to disclose (or at least, explain) the statistical formula on how these FAs are ranked. Does anyone think that will happen?
2/11/2010 1:51 PM
Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 2/11/2010In my experience, 35 year olds tend to lose ratings between seasons. But, if they're worth having, why wouldn't other teams be bidding on them?

they can still be type A's if you spend $20M on training. I signed This Guy for 1/4 at age 36 and the next season he netted me the 18th pick in the draft.

Ed Wells isn't as old but i gave up my 4th rounder to sign him to a 1 year deal and he was re-signed netting me a sandwich pick and early 3rd rounder. Of course, his team prior to playing for me was awful the previous season and got my 1st rounder over the former team of my current ace, [http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=436795]Alex Jones[/url]
2/11/2010 2:06 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By The__Kid on 2/11/2010If Type A compensation is to be based on the departing FA "score", WIS would have to disclose (or at least, explain) the statistical formula on how these FAs are ranked. Does anyone think that will happen
If FA "score" was based on stats, that would be true. But it could be based on OVR percentile rank within position group, with position group decided the way it is currently for FA Type. Simple. Neat. Self-explanatory. Probably not a programming problem either, since these calculations are already being made to calculate FA Types. Not perfect, but much better and easy to both do and understand.
2/11/2010 2:17 PM
I would let the market take care of the ranking. The FA that costs the most to sign gets the highest pick. Highest per year salary with a slight modifier for longer contract should tell you who is most "valuable"
2/11/2010 2:35 PM
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