Just wondering what other owners/commishes/worlds thought processes are when reviewing a trade that may just be a salary dump of an ML player with a contract for a career MiLB...



And if you see this as being an example of such:

Player A - ML pitcher with 1st year arb contract of 800K this season

http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1343528

for

Player B - 22 y/o IFA signed at the end of last season and projecting to have all ML quality pitching ratings except a projected control rating of 55

http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2974043

It's no different than buying/selling players.

I have never seen 0 GB/FB before. He better play in a very long park.

I don't see anything wrong with trading a player under an extended contract for a AAAA player. The could very well be out of contention and trade an aging player to a team trying to make a run. That contract is alot more worth while for the contending team.

If I have an arb-eligible guy that I know I'm not planning to retain next season, I'd rather trade him for anything I can get rather than just release him and get nothing. Especially if I can determine that even if I kept him for all three arb years and let him walk at the end as a FA that he would not get a Type A/B designation.

In this example, we cannot see the projections of player B, so it's hard to say what he'll turn out to be. The low control and the 0 GB/FB stand out as reason for concern. Where player A is pretty solid except for low durability and stamina.

At first glance, it's an unbalanced trade.

Looks fair at first glance to me. The guy doesn't want to pay 4 mill next season for the ML pitcher and trades for a reliever that could turn out to be a nice value.

Something for nothing if he would otherwise release him before arb next season. Since he runs a payroll lately of 40 mill, that seems highly likely.

He's been in the world for 10 seasons and has had a winning record the past 3 seasons, so I'd more than give him the benefit of the doubt.

I've seen worse players than the minor leaguer (based on current ratings) playing at the major league level in good worlds.

Just for the record, my stance is you trade ML players for other ML players or ML prospects. I just think anytime you trade an ML player for a career minor leaguer, regardless of the reasoning behind it that its unbalanced.

IMO, that minor leaguer, at his current ratings is about as good as this guy:

http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1417322

Making 5 mill in Moonlight Graham.

Im not sure whats worse. That he's in the ML or that someone actually is paying him $5M

Looks like dennisdee has some kind of imfatuation with him. Thats his second multi-year deal and he only has 3 years of service time.

I disagree with the notion that the prospect is a strictly AAAA-type. He seems more like a solid 4th short man out of the bullpen if he improves some (which, of course, we can't know without projections or a history of progression to look at). If he improves more than just some he might be SuA/Closer quality. I know his GB/FB is 0, but with 2 nasty pitches, I would think he would not give up a crazy # of HR. And his high velocity will yield a ton of Ks.

In principle, trading for a career minor leaguer in a salary dump is just like buying/selling players, but the RP he's getting is at minimum a marginal ML prospect, maybe better. So this doesn't really fall into that category for me.

Randy Lowe.

Former Fireman/199 career saves/career ERA under 3.50 with a control in the 40s.

For the record, I didn't evaluate the players or the trade. I simply answered the question.

Trading a BL salaried player, regardless of his skill, for a player with no BL potential, regardless of his skill, is no different than buying/selling a player.

Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 2/13/2010For the record, I didn't evaluate the players or the trade.   I simply answered the question.Trading a BL salaried player, regardless of his skill, for a player with no BL potential, regardless of his skill, is no different than buying/selling a player.

Bingo.

If you ever have a question about a trade, it's really easy to send a trade chat to the participating owners to get their thought on the deal.

The owner trading for the prospect has a $20M advanced scouting budget as well.

Quote: Originally posted by jptrainwreck on 2/13/2010If you ever have a question about a trade, it's really easy to send a trade chat to the participating owners to get their thought on the deal.

Why? You can't make up your mind on it?

What will the trade people say? How are they going to convince you?