Bear with me, im still a noob.

Situation: one of your players gets drafted in R5. The team that drafted decides they don't want him and offers back. Offer back is accepted.

The player will make league minimum for the entire season, since the salary was bumped up when signed in the R5 draft.

I follow this all so far. But what happens if the player is then designated for assignment (removed from 40 man) and placed in the minors? What happens to his salary the NEXT season?

Thanks!

If he's off the 40 and has six years of experience, he'll become a FA next season, so it depends on what his demands are.

If he has less than six years of experience, he should renew with a minor league contract.

The player in question: http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2750339

Less than 6 years experience, but his contract was renewed at 327k. He was NOT on the ML roster or 40 man roster at the end of the season. I was expecting the renewal to be for a minor league contract.

I did contact WIS, but I guess looking for second opinions since I dont really understand their response:

"A player will auto renew for the 40 Man Roster minimum (54K) if he is on the 40 Man roster at any point during the season and his salary has been adjusted due to that. If he is promoted to the ML roster and makes ML minimum money (327K) his contract will be renewed at that value."

and then:

"Your player was promoted to the ML club which adjusted his salary to the ML minimum of $327K. When his contract was automatically renewed it was renewed at the amount that he made the previous season which was $327K. No player in real life or in HBD would ever take a $273K pay cut."

If I am reading it correctly, there is basically no way this guy will ever get paid less than the ML minimum no matter what level I put him at? That doesnt seem right.

Maybe R5 guys get handles a bit differently from non R5 guys who get promoted and then demoted back to the minors.

I've promoted guys from AAA to the majors, where their salary got adjusted to $327k, then demoted them back to AAA at the end of the season. They renewed at a minor league salary.

I take that back. Sid Darwin shows that a R5 guy can see his salary get reset to a minor league salary after a minor league demotion.

Transaction Type: All
Season	Date	Franchise	Transaction
15	2/5/2010 8:14 AM	Filth	Reinstated from Inactive List
15	2/5/2010 8:14 AM	Filth	Placed on Inactive List
15	1/31/2010 9:40 AM	Filth	Contract Renewal
14	12/28/2009 7:47 PM	Filth	Placed On Waiver Wire
14	11/2/2009 9:41 AM	Filth	Contract Renewal
13	10/10/2009 7:17 AM	Filth	Added to 40-Man Roster
13	10/10/2009 3:24 AM	Filth	Claimed off Waivers
13	10/8/2009 11:10 PM	Cheesesteaks	Rule 5 Offer Back
13	8/13/2009 9:33 AM	Cheesesteaks	Added to 40-Man Roster
13	8/12/2009 11:18 PM	Cheesesteaks	Rule 5 Selection
13	8/3/2009 9:44 PM	Jararaca	Contract Renewal
12	5/15/2009 10:16 AM	Jararaca	Rule 5 Return Accept
12	5/13/2009 11:56 PM	Generals	Rule 5 Offer Back
12	5/13/2009 11:17 PM	Generals	Rule 5 Selection
12	5/4/2009 9:45 PM	Jararaca	Contract Renewal
11	2/3/2009 9:47 PM	Jararaca	Contract Renewal
10	11/6/2008 5:53 PM	Jararaca	Contract Renewal
9	8/8/2008 5:53 AM	Jararaca	Contract Renewal
8	6/15/2008 4:16 AM	Jararaca	Drafted

Seasons
Season	Franchise	Owner	Type	Amount	Date
8	JAX	examinerebb	MILB	$8K	6/15/2008
9	JAX	NONE	MILB	$8K	8/8/2008
10	JAX	NONE	MILB	$27K	11/6/2008
11	JAX	NONE	MILB	$27K	2/3/2009
12	JAX	NONE	MILB	$38K	5/4/2009
13	JAX	NONE	MILB	$327K	8/3/2009
14	FRE	NONE	MLB	$343K	11/2/2009
15	FRE	NONE	MLB	$59K	1/31/2010

Though I now notice that Sid has an MLB contract (not a minor league contract) for the current season, but only for $59k. That seems wrong. He should be making $378k.

Just sent in a ticket asking for clarification.

Glad to know I am not the only confused one!

I don't get this issue.

I've had plenty of guys who I've demoted/removed from the 40 man and have had them AUTO renewed at a minor league salary.

Auto-renewal being a key because WIS seems to think that some guys are minor-league FAs being re-signed..


maybe WIS can answer this one.. how is it that "No player in real life or in HBD would ever take a $273K pay cut" if this guy just did it? (demoted from ML roster and removed from 40 man after season 14, auto-renewed season 15 at 57k)

http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2494201

WIS has a bug, and they're refusing to admit it. Or they don't know how to clarify their rules (and I can't figure out what the clarification would be)

the clarification should be (I think) that every player on the 40-man roster must make at least the MLB minimum ... the fact that the player is on optional assignment to the minors should NOT allow the player to revert back to a minor league salary when the league rolls to the next season

which would have the added benefit of never having an issue where you can't promote an on-40 guy to the majors because you bump up against the cap

In real life, I believe that if a minor leaguer gets called up to the majors, he actually works under a split contract, where his ML service and salary is paid under the ML part of the contract, and his minor league service and salary is paid under the MiL part of the contract.

It goes to follow that if he's on a minor league roster at the time of contract renewal, only the minor league part of the contract gets renewed. It's really not a pay cut.

Maybe somebody who has a little more time and/or knowledge about this can confirm or refute that info.

Quote: Originally posted by 98greenc5 on 2/24/2010the clarification should be (I think) that every player on the 40-man roster must make at least the MLB minimum ... the fact that the player is on optional assignment to the minors should NOT allow the player to revert back to a minor league salary when the league rolls to the next seasonwhich would have the added benefit of never having an issue where you can't promote an on-40 guy to the majors because you bump up against the cap

I believe that right now, every player on the 40-man roster must make at least 55k, and if he already makes 327k, I am guessing that salary cannot be decreased.

However, the player in question in this thread was not on the 40-man roster (and was < 6 yrs pro) at rollover..


But I get what you're saying--you would definitely never have that issue if the rule was *changed* to your way. Though you would still run into the issue if you wanted to promote a non-40 of course..

Quote: Originally posted by tecwrg on 2/24/2010In real life, I believe that if a minor leaguer gets called up to the majors, he actually works under a split contract, where his ML service and salary is paid under the ML part of the contract, and his minor league service and salary is paid under the MiL part of the contract.It goes to follow that if he's on a minor league roster at the time of contract renewal, only the minor league part of the contract gets renewed. It's really not a pay cut.Maybe somebody who has a little more time and/or knowledge about this can confirm or refute that info.

I think this may be happening sometimes.. I had a player I called up for only the first 20 games of the season and then sent down. He made around 59k on his contract for that season and was renewed at 55k in AAA (he was on the 40 man roster at rollover). So I figured maybe it was something like 20 games of 327k + rest of season at 55k?

WIS looked at that and said "he was never on the ML roster, that's why he didn't make 327k". The 20 games at the ML level were kinda ignored..

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well tec, your explanation seems to indicate that hardcorerobo's player should be making 59k, not 327k

WIS customer support needs to figure their stuff out and get consistent..

Quote: Originally posted by tecwrg on 2/24/2010
Well this is news to me: On my Fresno team in Moonlight Graham, I have a player in AAA, Sid Darwin, who appears to have a MLB (major league) contract for the current season, but only for $59k. Shouldn't he be making $378k for the current season?http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1932416

Hi Bill,

No, his salary is correct. He is signed to a major league contract because he's on the 40 man roster. His salary is at the 40 man minimum. His salary would be the ML minimum only if he was assigned to the ML roster at any time this season.

LOL meanwhile I have a guy with a MINOR league contract, who hasn't been on the ML roster at all this season (and did not even start the season on the 40 man) making 327k!