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kspoorman
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Maybe I should take this to my grave. I just spent $9728 on a recruit and he didn't sign with me. This is at Div. II. Do you guys have any horror stories such as this? The thing is I never even allowed myself to get in a recruiting war. I pounded him with so much recruiting money early with scouting trips hopeful that I would pull him down. He did drop to another Div. II program and I never even showed up on his consider list. Live and learn!
3/24/2010 3:24 PM
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I have spent 9k on an inelg that didnt come to campus
3/24/2010 3:27 PM
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It is fairly easy to a) figure out if you can win a battle or if you are in over your head or b) avoid battles all together in d2/3.

D1 is a completely different story.
3/24/2010 3:28 PM
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I spent $6K each on 2 players 2 seasons ago and didnt get either of them. Story of why my team won't be very good this season. D3.
3/24/2010 3:32 PM
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I just spent $58,000 on a recruit with an A prestige UCLA team and didn't get the recruit. It was close, but in the end, distance was a bit too much of a factor.

I've also spent nearly $60,000 trying to pry a Sim's top recruit away, only to come up short. It happens......
3/24/2010 3:38 PM
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I spent almost 80k (if not more) on a guy this past season at Kansas with an A+ prestige and didnt sign the recruit. It was a four way battle, and he wouldnt even accept my promises. Im still wondering what the winning team threw at the kid!
3/24/2010 3:49 PM
zhawks
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What was your distance mmt?
3/24/2010 4:10 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/24/2010What was your distance mmt
About 330 miles if I recall. I was honestly shocked that he resisted us so much not sure if its because of how late I joined the party or what. This was in Naismith and Mizzou and Ohio St. were involved (cant remember the last school). He signed with Ohio St. who was a B prestige. Pretty nuts.
3/24/2010 4:18 PM
zhawks
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Very interesting. 80k and you couldn't sign him? What state was he in ? My guess would be Ok/Mizzou ? That is nuts that you got beat w/ that much money as an A prestige.
3/24/2010 4:34 PM
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Here's my live and learn story:

I'm an A- DII school in Phelan. I just spent about 5k (1/3 of my money) trying to get a DI SG ranked in the 180's. I had my eye on him since about the middle of last season. I didn't jump on him right away as I wanted to wait until closer to the beginning of the signing period, just in case a DI school got to him. The night before the signing period started he wasn't considering anybody. However, by the morning he was considering a B+ DII school.

I thought that I had a chance since he was considering a DII school and I had a higher prestige. I called him a few times and sent him some letters. He told me that I was a back-up because he thought he would go to a higher level school. I proceeded to throw scouting trips, promises and visits at him, which did nothing. The FSS notes even said that he didn't think he was a top priority for the other school.

In the end he signed with the B+ school. I figure there's not that much of a difference between A- and B+. Also, he was 30 miles from the other school and 140 miles from me. I guess distance was a disadvantage.
3/24/2010 4:58 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By biggda on 3/24/2010Here's my live and learn story:

I'm an A- DII school in Phelan. I just spent about 5k (1/3 of my money) trying to get a DI SG ranked in the 180's. I had my eye on him since about the middle of last season. I didn't jump on him right away as I wanted to wait until closer to the beginning of the signing period, just in case a DI school got to him. The night before the signing period started he wasn't considering anybody. However, by the morning he was considering a B+ DII school.

I thought that I had a chance since he was considering a DII school and I had a higher prestige. I called him a few times and sent him some letters. He told me that I was a back-up because he thought he would go to a higher level school. I proceeded to throw scouting trips, promises and visits at him, which did nothing. The FSS notes even said that he didn't think he was a top priority for the other school.

In the end he signed with the B+ school. I figure there's not that much of a difference between A- & B+. Also, he was 30 miles from the other school and 140 miles from me. I guess distance was a disadvantage
That is very true at the lower levels, not so at D1.

Also if you had wanted him you liekly should have been trying to pull him down before anyone else was on him (what it would cost you 10x$200 ? for 10 evals?) once someone has already pulled him down it will be much harder for you to do the same.
3/24/2010 5:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/24/2010

That is very true at the lower levels, not so at D1.

Also if you had wanted him you liekly should have been trying to pull him down before anyone else was on him (what it would cost you 10x$200 ? for 10 evals?) once someone has already pulled him down it will be much harder for you to do the same.



This is the reason I don't agree with people who say you don't have to start recruiting early in D2/D3. It may not be quite as important to get an early jump as it is in D1, but it's definitely beneficial. It may only take 10 scouting trips to pull somebody down when they aren't considering anybody but once they are considering somebody else it might take 20, and at D2/D3 20 scouting trips no matter how close the recruit is a nice chunk of your recruiting budget.
3/24/2010 5:52 PM
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At D1 I spent $44,000 as a B- team battling A- Kansas for a recruit 10 miles from Lawrence. So I am pretty dumb.
3/24/2010 5:56 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx1 on 3/24/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/24/2010

That is very true at the lower levels, not so at D1.

Also if you had wanted him you liekly should have been trying to pull him down before anyone else was on him (what it would cost you 10x$200 ? for 10 evals?) once someone has already pulled him down it will be much harder for you to do the same.



This is the reason I don't agree with people who say you don't have to start recruiting early in D2/D3. It may not be quite as important to get an early jump as it is in D1, but it's definitely beneficial. It may only take 10 scouting trips to pull somebody down when they aren't considering anybody but once they are considering somebody else it might take 20, and at D2/D3 20 scouting trips no matter how close the recruit is a nice chunk of your recruiting budget.
You don't have too and many times it is more beneficial to wait a day or so to recruit at the lower divisions, whereas many times that isn't a good idea in D1.
3/24/2010 5:59 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/24/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx1 on 3/24/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/24/2010

That is very true at the lower levels, not so at D1.

Also if you had wanted him you liekly should have been trying to pull him down before anyone else was on him (what it would cost you 10x$200 ? for 10 evals?) once someone has already pulled him down it will be much harder for you to do the same.



This is the reason I don't agree with people who say you don't have to start recruiting early in D2/D3. It may not be quite as important to get an early jump as it is in D1, but it's definitely beneficial. It may only take 10 scouting trips to pull somebody down when they aren't considering anybody but once they are considering somebody else it might take 20, and at D2/D3 20 scouting trips no matter how close the recruit is a nice chunk of your recruiting budget.
You don't have too and many times it is more beneficial to wait a day or so to recruit at the lower divisions, whereas many times that isn't a good idea in D1
This may be the case with a lower prestige, but with high prestige you want to get on guys quickly to discourage battles. That's more of what I'm talking about. It's possible to pull down guys with C- prestige however with a prestige that low you have to be very careful. While when you're in the A/A+ range you feel confident once you get on guys nobody will try to take them away.
3/24/2010 6:04 PM
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