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tufft

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Are there any theories or data supporting players developing better on defenses playing one position instead of another?

Does it matter if I play, in the MinL, a player at SS, 2B, CF, LF, etc.? Or does it just matter that they play?

Thanks.

4/20/2010 1:20 PM

MikeT23

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WifS says it matters. I've seen nothing that would convince me that it does.

4/20/2010 1:25 PM

tufft

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What do they say? Is there something in a Dev Chat?

4/20/2010 1:30 PM

MikeT23

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They say you should play a guy where you're going to play him in the bigs to fully develop him. That he needs to be defensively challenged.

I say "If playing at the toughest defensive position accelerates development, why shouldn't I play my 1B at SS in LoA if I don't have a legit SS prospect in LoA?" That would challenge him the most.

Developing a game in that manner seems insane to me.

4/20/2010 1:46 PM

tufft

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Has anybody tested playing a 1B prospect at SS in the MinL to see if it improves their defensive development more than if they played at 1B or LF?

4/20/2010 4:05 PM

MikeT23

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I've played SS all over and haven't noticed the SS playing at 2B, 3B or RF have suffered.

4/20/2010 4:10 PM

tufft

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Thanks.

4/20/2010 6:14 PM

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A devo chat said that players played at tougher positions develop better, as long as they are not overmatched

I have seen no hard data that leads me to think this isn't true, despite mike's rather unconvincing anecdote.

Since I have no real data on this i'm going to cautiously assume that what admin has said is true until i see evidence to the contrary.

For now I assume my CF prospect develops better while in center rather than right or field

4/21/2010 8:58 AM

MikeT23

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Aren't all minor league SS overmatched?

1	Cyrus ChristopherNO	SS	144	144	0	22	1274.2	279	357	106	81	.857	4.49
2	Bruce CrosbyMNT	SS	144	144	0	10	1281.0	268	360	101	89	.861	4.41
3	Perry ObermuellerTEX	SS	134	134	5	0	1193.2	230	412	80	111	.889	4.84
4	Bruce DiazDUR	SS	144	144	0	11	1193.2	272	375	78	83	.892	4.88
5	Hub DolanTOL	SS	141	141	0	20	1261.2	273	355	76	72	.892	4.48
6	Gary MiddlebrookIND	SS	140	140	0	20	1079.2	200	315	73	63	.876	4.29
7	Paul MaurerSAL	SS	125	125	15	0	1101.2	208	388	70	89	.895	4.87
8	Sean SwindellOK	SS	144	144	9	0	1275.2	285	465	62	98	.924	5.29
9	Buster KendallWAS	SS	108	108	0	27	968.2	188	274	61	55	.883	4.29
10	Esteban SierraTOR	SS	144	144	17	2	1290.0	265	408	59	81	.919	4.70
11	Ismael LeeMC	SS	135	135	16	1	1194.2	267	433	58	85	.923	5.27
12	Monte DaviesTRE	SS	118	118	25	1	1036.1	198	310	56	68	.901	4.41
13	Shaggy WilliamsCHA	SS	133	133	2	2	1082.0	228	344	55	90	.912	4.76
14	Pedro GabrielBAL	SS	106	106	0	5	956.0	192	342	55	66	.907	5.03
15	Garry CunninghamKC	SS	117	117	10	0	1024.1	216	357	54	82	.914	5.03
16	Kane BlackwellARI	SS	101	101	6	1	905.2	196	302	53	75	.904	4.95
17	Jesus RomeroATL	SS	78	78	0	6	690.2	180	212	49	52	.889	5.11
18	Duane MontgomeryCLB	SS	76	76	0	7	682.0	131	203	49	43	.872	4.41
19	Sparky BolickROC	SS	92	92	1	5	737.0	159	252	47	45	.897	5.02
20	Alejandro PazCLE	SS	144	144	18	1	1242.2	238	427	44	83	.938	4.82

4/21/2010 10:04 AM

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1	P.J. GreenNO	SS	144	144	0	23	1269.0	258	377	93	96	.872	4.50
2	Wesley EvansCHA	SS	133	133	1	13	1191.2	256	357	68	77	.900	4.63
3	Omar RomeroWAS	SS	83	83	0	19	747.0	144	232	68	40	.847	4.53
4	Kelvim EvansCLE	SS	115	115	1	16	1034.0	219	300	67	53	.886	4.52
5	J.P. AlcantaraOK	SS	144	144	0	7	1288.0	265	425	65	104	.914	4.82
6	Aaron McNeilKC	SS	127	127	12	0	1130.0	239	398	60	107	.914	5.07
7	Dennis DoyleTOL	SS	141	141	1	13	1225.0	326	404	53	79	.932	5.36
8	Jude BrooksCLB	SS	128	128	6	0	1133.1	213	365	52	86	.917	4.59
9	Jeff FisherMNT	SS	144	144	9	0	1299.0	280	462	51	97	.936	5.14
10	Jose DelgadoDUR	SS	96	95	0	6	715.2	151	237	50	55	.886	4.88
11	Larry MillwoodMIL	SS	135	135	13	0	1217.0	233	402	50	90	.927	4.70
12	Freddy ProkopecPHI	SS	144	144	0	5	1111.0	246	413	50	79	.929	5.34
13	Rico MercedesSJU	SS	144	144	13	0	1288.0	246	428	49	70	.932	4.71
14	Eugenio CamposATL	SS	103	103	0	8	846.1	190	296	47	69	.912	5.17
15	Tike SimmonsLA	SS	144	144	28	1	1289.1	257	458	47	101	.938	4.99
16	Albert SanchezARI	SS	109	109	8	1	948.2	230	331	44	88	.927	5.32
17	Edgardo JimenezWAS	SS	61	61	0	11	547.1	124	152	44	36	.863	4.54
18	Alex DeWittCH1	SS	54	54	0	9	486.0	101	139	41	37	.854	4.44
19	Guillermo VazquezFLA	SS	134	134	19	1	1204.1	252	464	40	97	.947	5.35
20	Denny UpshawTRE	SS	110	88	6	0	797.0	143	262	38	56	.914	4.57

4/21/2010 10:05 AM

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1	Shayne CoxTOL	SS	141	141	0	26	1230.2	237	313	114	41	.828	4.02
2	Domingo JohnsonBAL	SS	112	112	0	13	982.1	193	294	79	49	.860	4.46
3	Piper GleasonLA	SS	144	144	0	9	1280.1	224	425	76	75	.895	4.56
4	John LeeARI	SS	121	121	0	16	1072.2	220	340	73	67	.885	4.70
5	Dean McDonaldMC	SS	134	134	1	14	1185.2	238	360	71	73	.894	4.54
6	Bobby LemasterKC	SS	144	144	0	11	1270.1	300	389	66	89	.913	4.88
7	Paul TerrellOK	SS	144	144	0	4	1267.0	247	417	66	73	.910	4.72
8	J.D. MorrisCLB	SS	136	136	0	15	1221.1	237	432	65	85	.911	4.93
9	Albert MoyaPHI	SS	140	140	1	11	1241.1	256	474	65	85	.918	5.29
10	Pat KingCHA	SS	139	139	1	13	1224.1	250	469	63	81	.919	5.29
11	Daniel FinleyMNT	SS	125	125	0	13	1132.1	218	370	63	70	.903	4.67
12	Jesus GilCH1	SS	139	139	3	5	1188.0	248	416	61	92	.916	5.03
13	Piper SkinnerFLA	SS	136	136	0	12	1218.2	233	415	60	86	.915	4.79
14	Don DeShieldsMIL	SS	97	92	1	6	826.0	167	263	58	57	.881	4.69
15	Alex BonillaATL	SS	109	109	0	12	968.2	199	311	57	64	.899	4.74
16	Ebenezer BondsSJU	SS	105	105	0	4	938.0	175	303	47	54	.910	4.59
17	Malachi KirwanDUR	SS	111	111	0	10	804.2	181	222	46	52	.898	4.51
18	Wayne FondaROC	SS	62	62	0	8	485.0	96	142	44	14	.844	4.42
19	Birdie ChaseNO	SS	74	72	5	0	640.2	131	238	40	39	.902	5.18
20	A.J. GrayTEX	SS	123	123	23	0	1084.1	210	410	39	88	.941	5.15

4/21/2010 10:05 AM

MikeT23

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1	Bob KochNO	SS	144	144	0	20	1202.1	252	358	64	100	.905	4.57
2	Douglas DenhamKC	SS	85	85	0	4	736.2	157	242	60	58	.869	4.87
3	Samuel FoxATL	SS	141	141	1	21	1184.0	238	411	59	81	.917	4.93
4	Bobby ColemanMC	SS	144	144	0	12	1286.2	274	472	56	96	.930	5.22
5	Bo MorenoMIL	SS	144	144	1	10	1194.0	260	463	53	101	.932	5.45
6	Javy BennettTOL	SS	104	104	0	15	929.1	188	340	46	71	.920	5.11
7	Wesley RamseyARI	SS	144	144	36	0	1278.0	259	504	41	87	.949	5.37
8	Paul KojimaWAS	SS	144	144	1	4	1195.0	220	426	41	92	.940	4.87
9	Joel WashingtonTRE	SS	139	139	9	3	1231.0	296	443	39	99	.950	5.40
10	Tony BlairRIC	SS	141	141	0	2	1252.0	288	423	38	94	.949	5.11
11	Chick FoxCLE	SS	129	126	16	0	1127.1	242	426	37	83	.948	5.33
12	Jake PufferDUR	SS	132	132	4	0	949.1	205	355	37	66	.938	5.31
13	Darryl BaileyKC	SS	59	59	0	13	518.2	121	155	37	29	.882	4.79
14	Steven BellingerSLC	SS	143	143	26	0	1293.0	258	506	37	89	.954	5.32
15	Earl ClaytonCSP	SS	65	65	0	7	563.2	122	192	35	34	.900	5.01
16	Brandon LintonFRE	SS	121	121	1	11	1036.1	237	348	35	74	.944	5.08
17	Albert MercadoLA	SS	130	130	12	0	1124.1	218	404	32	76	.951	4.98
18	Domingo DuranCH1	SS	116	116	23	0	1037.1	204	419	31	75	.953	5.41
19	Javier SardinhaOK	SS	86	86	2	2	761.0	170	243	29	51	.934	4.88
20	Samuel RayTOR	SS	110	91	9	0	839.1	167	295	26	71	.947	4.95

4/21/2010 10:06 AM

MikeT23

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As you move up the ladder, it gets better(as it should) but, even in AAA, you've still got top 20 SS making 35 errors.

4/21/2010 10:08 AM

iain

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Playing a 1B at SS would be an example of "overmatched".

Projected 75+, as compared to projected 40-something across the board.

4/21/2010 10:48 AM

MikeT23

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You're pretending that we all see the same projections. We don't. Is WifS using some hidden rating to determine "overmatched"? And basing development/lack of development on it. That's silly.

I think most of us agree that minor league results mean nothing in terms of development. Am I right about that?

4/21/2010 11:07 AM

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