0 Durability Pitcher Topic

jahu43
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I just picked up a quality pitcher in my world's rule 5 draft. The only problem with him is his 0 durability. I have no experience with a 0 durability pitcher.



He has 67 stamina. What should I expect from this pitcher with respect to innings pitched for a season

Owners with similar players how have you handled them. Set-up, RP, spot starter?

What type of pitch count would maximize his innings, or is there no use he'll never get enough innings to be worth while?

80 control 70 splits three pitches over 80 80 60 ish pitches so he is a quality arm.

5/17/2010 11:52 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jahu43 on 5/17/2010
I just picked up a quality pitcher in my world's rule 5 draft. The only problem with him is his 0 durability. I have no experience with a 0 durability pitcher.



He has 67 stamina. What should I expect from this pitcher with respect to innings pitched for a season

Owners with similar players how have you handled them. Set-up, RP, spot starter?

What type of pitch count would maximize his innings, or is there no use he'll never get enough innings to be worth while?

80 control 70 splits three pitches over 80 80 60 ish pitches so he is a quality arm.



At the ML level, it'll be tough to see enough innings to justify a roster spot.

He sounds like a bit more talented version of Walt Lorraine. Walt has been a shut down closer for me in AAA, converting 52 of 56 save chances in 70 IP with a 1.03 WHIP and a 1.67 ERA. The downside? It has taken him 3 full seasons and half of a 4th to log that many IP. At AAA, I can use him for his ~20 good IP a season and have him deactived while he recovers from a save. At the ML level, esp. as a Rule 5, you won't have that option, so I'd probably only have a spot for him (as closer) if I had some very good depth with the rest of my pen.
5/18/2010 12:37 AM
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I had a guy who was 75/0. I used him as a 10-15 pitch closer for a few seasons and generally got 30-35 IP per season from him. Howard Swann
5/18/2010 12:47 AM
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to maximize innings i would use him as a quasi-spot starter with an 80 or so pitch count. Start him as soon as he gets to 100 stamina (which will be awhile after a start). If you go the starting route please report back how many innings you get out of him.

If you can afford a roster spot and your pitching staff can cover for him while he's recovering go for it

On the other hand a guy like this with such limited usage needs to be a bit more valuable to justify an ML spot, his ratings would be pretty good if he were a 100+ inning guy...
5/18/2010 8:19 AM
deathinahole
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Quote: Originally Posted By schuyler101 on 5/18/2010to maximize innings i would use him as a quasi-spot starter with an 80 or so pitch count. Start him as soon as he gets to 100 stamina (which will be awhile after a start). If you go the starting route please report back how many innings you get out of him.

If you can afford a roster spot and your pitching staff can cover for him while he's recovering go for it

On the other hand a guy like this with such limited usage needs to be a bit more valuable to justify an ML spot, his ratings would be pretty good if he were a 100+ inning guy..


Ditto.

If I remember right, I got 13 starts out of a 0 that was the best starting pitcher on a staff, save for needing 2 weeks rest every time he pitched.
5/18/2010 9:41 AM
deathinahole
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Closer, you're not getting enough innings out of him. Stretch that dude out!
5/18/2010 9:41 AM
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13 starts? nice, a little more than i thought, so you can get maybe 60 innings out of a guy like this?
5/18/2010 11:48 AM
deathinahole
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Depends on stamina.

67, I usually set at 90/105. Mine, I think, was a 0/80, and I pitched him like any 80 stamina (for me, any way), 110/120.
5/18/2010 11:55 AM
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My guy, linked above, generally recovers about 3 points per day after closing out a game (~20 pitches). Assuming the same recovery rate after a start, which I think would put him at/near 0 especially with death's high PC (he drops into the 80s after a save), would mean he'd need ~30 days in between starts. So about 6 starts a season. Maybe you get 40 IP from him that way, if you're lucky, instead of 20-25 as a closer. Not sure that's an improvement.

My guy is recovering at the moment 95(98) but I'll give him a start with a long PC once he is back to 100 and post his recovery times here, just to confirm.
5/18/2010 3:24 PM
opie100
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How does a pitcher like this emulate anything in the bigs? Perhaps these types of ratings shouldn't exist.
5/18/2010 4:08 PM
jahu43
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Quote: Originally Posted By deathinahole on 5/18/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By schuyler101 on 5/18/2010
to maximize innings i would use him as a quasi-spot starter with an 80 or so pitch count. Start him as soon as he gets to 100 stamina (which will be awhile after a start). If you go the starting route please report back how many innings you get out of him.

If you can afford a roster spot and your pitching staff can cover for him while he's recovering go for it

On the other hand a guy like this with such limited usage needs to be a bit more valuable to justify an ML spot, his ratings would be pretty good if he were a 100+ inning guy...



Ditto.

If I remember right, I got 13 starts out of a 0 that was the best starting pitcher on a staff, save for needing 2 weeks rest every time he pitched.
I have a strong pitching staff and can afford a low inning pitcher (I have three relievers capable of pitcher 100+ innings). So I am going to experiment to see how it plays out. He projects to be a pretty talented pitcher if I can get 50 IP out of him I think he could be a useful piece. I am going to start him in my openner to maximize his recovery days for the year.
5/18/2010 4:51 PM
zbrent716
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Walt Lorraine is schedule to make his first career start in the PM2 game this afternoon. Given his 61 stamina, I've set his TPC at 75 and MPC at 90, with a Call Bullpen of 2.

Death, is that about what you'd do for a 61 stamina guy? I'm trying to duplicate (somewhat) your 0 stamina guy to compare recovery rates.

Assuming he's effective enough to get deep into the game, I expect his recovery to take far longer than 10 days.
5/19/2010 4:37 AM
deathinahole
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Pfff, I'm seriously going from memory, and I'm + 40.

I am positive about the 13 starts. I am pretty sure I got him to the 6-7 inning in most.

This also would have been near the start of HBD (like, 3rd season), so factor in any updates that may have changed what you can do.

I also remember that he was low 3 ERA. I also remember being out of playoff contention, so he got the 13th start (else he would have been saved for game 1 of the first series)
5/19/2010 1:59 PM
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How about the other end of the spectrum. 0 stamina and 80 durability? Does he get tired as soon as he walks to the mound?
5/20/2010 4:46 AM
zbrent716
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Walt Lorraine throws 86 pitches in 4 innings.

He promptly falls to 0 (0) after the game.

After the AM game, he is at 0 (4). He has been deactivated. I expect him to be ready to pitch in another 20 games or so. So, best case scenario, with a lower pitch count than some might use, I could probably get about 7-8 starts from him, with a total of maybe 25-30 innings.

I'll stick with the 20-25 closer-quality innings to finish off close games. Seems to me like a better use of a player like this.
5/20/2010 4:58 AM
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