Minimum values for Recruits Topic

hughesjr
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This is the info from the players guide (I think the attributes are listed in what he thinks are order of importance too):

PG: Speed, Passing, Ball Handling, Stamina, Athleticism, Work Ethic, FT%, Defense, Perimeter

SG: Speed, Athleticism, Perimeter, Ball Handling, Work Ethic, Stamina, Passing, Defense, FT%

SF: Athleticism/Speed, Rebounding, Perimeter, Work Ethic, FT%, Low Post, Stamina, Defense, Ball Handling/Passing

PF/C: Rebounding, Athleticism, Speed, FT%/Perimeter, Low Post, Shot Blocking, Defense.

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So now my question. Who is willing to share what they look for as minimums for attributes by position for recruits? (ie, at least 25 in BH for PG).

5/18/2010 12:50 PM
mlatsko1
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Which division are you referring to?
5/18/2010 12:52 PM
hughesjr
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Quote: Originally posted by mlatsko1 on 5/18/2010Which division are you referring to?
Actually for me personally, Div-III ... and that is likely to help the new guys who are looking for a place to start.

But I would think that posts for all Divisions would promote discussion and have people think of things in more than one way.
5/18/2010 12:55 PM
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BUMP!!

I would like some info on this as well.
5/20/2010 10:13 AM
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D3 my opinion. And I run press triangle. these are for fr. and have some leway but the minimum I would take.

PG ath 0, spd 45(hpot), reb 0, def 0, blk 0, lp 0, per 0, bh 45(hpot), pass 45 (hpot), ft 60%(hpot)

SG ath 0, sp 45(hpot), reb 0, def 0, blk 0, lp 0, per 45(hpot), bh 45, pass 45, ft 60%

sf ath 40(apot), sp 40(apot), reb 30(apot), def 0, blk 0, lp 30(apot), per 40(apot), bh 30, pass 40(apot) ft 60%

Pf ath 40(hpot), spd 0, reb 50(hpot), def 0, blk 0, lp 30, per 0, bh 0, pass 20, ft 60%

C same as pf. I like to combine a players strength with anothers weakness and make a strong team but this is my guidlines for d3 and sometimes in a big ill exchange ath for spd.
5/20/2010 10:43 AM
udm_mike
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I'm curious...why are you willing to disregard ath in the guard position, brian?
5/20/2010 11:33 AM
ginobili04
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Quote: Originally Posted By udm_mike on 5/20/2010I'm curious...why are you willing to disregard ath in the guard position, brian
I believe i read that ATH is more important on the PF/C position than it is the others. I may be wrong but i believe thats what it said.
5/20/2010 11:52 AM
reinsel
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Yeah, it is, but it matters for anyone who is trying to score. Ath for SG matters for sure.
5/20/2010 12:16 PM
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I agree speed is most important for guards but do think ATH plays a big factor in scoring for guards. I have a SG on my Bowdoin team who was 46 PER low potential as a freshmen. He is now 80+ATH and 60+SP and scores lights out and is one of my best scorers ever and can shoot well from outside.

I don't have quite as high standards on PER ratings b/c of that. I like something above 40 for them but think players with mid 40s can really shoot fine from outside. Now, all this may change with the new engine. Who knows at this point.
5/20/2010 12:27 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By udm_mike on 5/20/2010I'm curious...why are you willing to disregard ath in the guard position, brian
I dont think ath in guards in triangle is that important. I love speed. Of course ill take ath in addition but it isnt that important to me. Ill also take def but those that are 0's are just pluses in my opinion
5/20/2010 2:39 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by 1calloway on 5/20/2010I agree speed is most important for guards but do think ATH plays a big factor in scoring for guards. I have a SG on my Bowdoin team who was 46 PER low potential as a freshmen. He is now 80+ATH and 60+SP and scores lights out and is one of my best scorers ever and can shoot well from outside. I don't have quite as high standards on PER ratings b/c of that. I like something above 40 for them but think players with mid 40s can really shoot fine from outside. Now, all this may change with the new engine. Who knows at this point.

I agree with this completely. I had a lot of fantastic scoring guards at Principia in Phelan who had Ath/Spd around 50-70 and Per from 40-55 and they would shoot atleast 35-40% from outside. Combine them with High BH (which I value in scoring guards about as much as speed) and I had some pretty lethal Sg's by the time they were JR's and SR's
5/21/2010 3:07 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By brianp87 on 5/20/2010
D3 my opinion. And I run press triangle. these are for fr. and have some leway but the minimum I would take.

PG ath 0, spd 45(hpot), reb 0, def 0, blk 0, lp 0, per 0, bh 45(hpot), pass 45 (hpot), ft 60%(hpot)

SG ath 0, sp 45(hpot), reb 0, def 0, blk 0, lp 0, per 45(hpot), bh 45, pass 45, ft 60%

sf ath 40(apot), sp 40(apot), reb 30(apot), def 0, blk 0, lp 30(apot), per 40(apot), bh 30, pass 40(apot) ft 60%

Pf ath 40(hpot), spd 0, reb 50(hpot), def 0, blk 0, lp 30, per 0, bh 0, pass 20, ft 60%

C same as pf. I like to combine a players strength with anothers weakness and make a strong team but this is my guidlines for d3 and sometimes in a big ill exchange ath for spd.



And here is the joke of the Press. 0 in Defense, 0 in Shot Blocking. Like I said in another post, it's become "Track Star Dynasty" and it's absolutely killing the game.
5/21/2010 5:54 AM
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Absolute min values at D3 IMO would be(this is disregarding potential):
Pg: Spd: 40, BH: 40, Pass: 40
SG: Ath: 20, Spd: 40, Per: 40, BH: 35, Pass: 30
SF: Ath: 30, Spd: 30, every other category other than Blk: 15
PF: Ath: 35, Spd: 20, Reb: 40, LP: 35, Blk: 30, Pass: 15
C: Ath: 35, Reb: 40, LP: 40, Blk: 30, Pass: 15
5/21/2010 11:14 PM
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dcy, that's one man's opinion at DIII, and it's one that I don't think many other top coaches would agree with. 0 in ath for guards? 0 in bl and def for bigs? Hardly.

Also, it looks like the press has been reigned in somewhat in the new engine, so that will have a clear impact on the track star status. Quite honestly though, I don't see many teams that are fast and nothing else winning titles. The top teams that I see also rebound, shoot, defend, etc.
5/21/2010 11:27 PM
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Agreed.

In looking at this thread, I'm seeing a few folks who are looking at positions fairly simplisticly. Even if you say press IS a track meet, track stars have athleticism. No guard worth their salt will have low ATH, nor would they play for my team with no D. I'm selfish and want some speed from my bigs and and some rebounding from my guards. Finally, with the inclusion of LP for guards, you are foolish to say 0 in LP if you want a SG to score.
5/22/2010 3:13 AM
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