I always thought Off/Def IQ was important to winning. Until last night.

While getting my #2 DII team ready to start the year I accidentally messed up all my team settings for my other DII team. WVA St. (who plays M2M) ended up playing FCP last night against a team I played earlier in the season.

I played FCP (which I do not practice at all), and except for a few more fouls I really couldnt tell much of a difference.

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=5750371

It's almost embarassing - I did this too... for 5 games (2 were exhib). I went 4-1, beating a couple of decent teams. The only loss was to SIM.

I also averaged about 10 pts higher in those games then in the ones after I fixed my error.

Quote: Originally posted by mullycj on 5/20/2010I always thought Off/Def IQ was important to winning.   Until last night.While getting my #2 DII team ready to start the year I accidentally messed up all my team settings for my other DII team.   WVA St. (who plays M2M) ended up playing FCP last night against a team I played earlier in the season.I played FCP (which I do not practice at all), and except for a few more fouls I really couldnt tell much of a difference.http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=5750371

In the first game you won by 8, in the 2nd game 22. That seems fairly different to me :D

IQ's (along with the DEF rating) have always been my two biggest pet peeves. I don't think IQ's play nearly as big of a role as they should. High IQ teams should be VERY tough to play and low IQ teams should be fairly easy regardless of ratings.

Ratings should play a factor, of course, but I've always said (even in the real world), you give me a team of basketball players who are solid fundamentally and give the other guy athletes who like to showboat and make easy plays hard, and I'll win more than I lose. Unfortunately, in HD, that's just a pipe dream. Recruit fast, athletic players and you win, it's that simple. HD has turned into Track Star Dynasty and it's unfortunate. Yes, speed and athleticism are important, but if you don't have the knowledge to use them correctly (IQ), then speed and athleticism should be downgraded in the engine until the IQ's get to an acceptable level. Doesn't seem like that happens though...........

I don't know guys, I still think that iq's are quite important. When I have young teams, I think it pretty clearly translates in their on-court performance.

what i have found is that for some reason, in a small sample size, it will often seem like IQs do not matter at all.

But try to make consistent NT runs with bad or even slightly below average IQs and let me know how that works out.

If you dont want to wait that long, I can tell you that I have rarely seen teams have success in the NT without pretty good IQs. and, while im not saying it has never happened, i can tell you that i have been around here pretty much from the start and have never heard of a coach who was consistently successful without good IQs. might have happened without me hearing of it, but i dont think it is common.

I know this sounds crazy, but it almost seems as if the simengine flips a coin before each game and decides whether IQ will matter at all. and so you get some games where IQ doesnt seem to mattter, but if you try to make a deep NT run, you will usually find out that IQs do, in fact, matter.

which is a longwinded way of saying:

"i agree with daalty"

(as much as that pains me)

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 5/20/2010I don't know guys, I still think that iq's are quite important. When I have young teams, I think it pretty clearly translates in their on-court performance.

Maybe IQs are far more important on offense?

Slowly but surely, Ol' D, you're coming around. Slowly but surely ...

Hah, love this topic. I'd like to submit, Exhibit C... as in UC!

Start the season, 4-9, RPI roughly around 140. Defense: Press
IQ: A+, A, A-, A-, A-, A-, B+

Last 9 games, 8-1, RPI down to 63 (was 56 this morning). Defense: M2M/Press Combo
Man IQ: Never practiced it at the start of the streak. :-)

Since then, I've completely stopped practicing Press, went totally to man.

Sure there are other factors that play a part in all of this, but the results have been ridiculous. I haven't just beaten good teams, I've beat them down.

The 1st game was against #6 (was higher then I think) in the country, which we handled by 18.... SURE.. working as intended.

In IBA, many moons ago there was a coach who didn't practice IQ and was by far the most talented team. He had close to a 600 team rating and was making it pretty far in the NT. I forget who it is, but I just remember seeing him in the final four a long time ago.

Yes, IQ's are a joke. They need to play a much bigger role than they currently do.

i know im getting old when the furrdude starts referring to things that happened many moons ago.

not sure if we are talking about the same dude, because the iba F-zoner im thinking of had stopped doing that (im pretty sure) many moons before furry got into junior high.

anyway, the guy i am thinking of is branmarr (aka brannie or the branman) who i think was at heidlburg in iba D3- OhioAC. i think he really only did it for one season that i can think of. the weird thing about his famous "Fzoner" team is that his player ratings werent really through the roof either. he just decided to switch defenses a few games into a season that was going badly... then suddenly he couldnt lose. maybe he just pulled off a couple of huge upsets (which seems to happen now and then regardless of IQs) and one was my Oneonta bunch, so maybe it got a little extra publicity. I think he may have gotten to the Elite8 at most.

I think brannie went on to win an NT at Hburg, but by then i am almost positive he had good IQs. I cant recall why he started practicing team stuff after the success that year. i remember asking him, just dont recall the answer.

One thing to note in the furrdogs example: the team in question had sensational player ratings (maybe the best in D3?) and yet just made it "pretty far in the NT", and maybe made one final four.

I will agree that it seems like IQs are not quite as important as they should be, but i still think like this:

"IQs are not important at all... until you try to make an NT run without them"

maybe F-IQs are a good way to create a pretty good team (though i doubt it), but i am pretty sure that F-IQs are not going to get you anywhere near a great team

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 5/20/2010Slowly but surely, Ol' D, you're coming around. Slowly but surely ...

that scares the hell outta me

Quote: Originally posted by oldave on 5/21/2010i know im getting old when the furrdude starts referring to things that happened many moons ago.not sure if we are talking about the same dude, because the iba F-zoner im thinking of had stopped doing that (im pretty sure) many moons before furry got into junior high. anyway,  the guy i am thinking of is branmarr (aka brannie or the branman) who i think was at heidlburg in iba D3- OhioAC.  i think he really only did it for one season that i can think of.  the weird thing about his famous "Fzoner" team is that his player ratings werent really through the roof either.  he just decided to switch defenses a few games into a season that was going badly... then suddenly he couldnt lose.  maybe he just pulled off a couple of huge upsets (which seems to happen now and then regardless of IQs)  and one was my Oneonta bunch, so maybe it got a little extra publicity.  I think he may have gotten to the Elite8 at most.I think brannie went on to win an NT at Hburg, but by then i am almost positive he had good IQs.  I cant recall why he started practicing  team stuff after the success that year.  i remember asking him, just dont recall the answer.One thing to note in the furrdogs example:  the team in question had sensational player ratings (maybe the best in D3?) and yet just made it "pretty far in the NT", and maybe made one final four.   I will agree that it seems like IQs are not quite as important as they should be, but i still think like this:"IQs are not important at all... until you try to make an NT run without them"maybe F-IQs are a good way to create a pretty good team (though i doubt it), but i am pretty sure that F-IQs are not going to get you anywhere near a great team

He is back at the same school this season.