While I understand the theory on IQs related to the FCP; I cant imagine the engine changes were designed to have 6 players foul out of a game with the other team consistantly shooting 60 FTs? This seems to be happening alot; Also, my press IQs are actually good which makes this a tad more of a concern.

In the test world my opponents (SOS #4) are averaging 35 fouls a game.

Does that seem high to you? I dont recall any real life games with that many fouls and that many guys fouling out. Especially not on a consistent basis.

Yes, it's quite high. My team is also averaging 43 free throws a game. Some of the opponents suck because of abandoned test teams, but it's still high even considering that.

You're running fullcourt press with tired players. IQ's and stamina are now a big part of turnovers and committing fouls.

If the new engine effectively kills fullcourt press (by making it ineffective due to the same reasons pretty much nobody runs it in real life), that's a good thing that moves the game in a more realistic direction.

My IQs are pretty good and so are the stamina. Not great but pretty good. This seems like the change went too far in the other direction. I agree with IQs and stamina playing a huge role but that many fouls??

Why would my backup C start the second half over the starter?

Quote: Originally Posted By cmthieme on 5/26/2010If the new engine effectively kills fullcourt press (by making it ineffective due to the same reasons pretty much nobody runs it in real life), that's a good thing that moves the game in a more realistic direction

I'm not an fcp coach, so I don't have a personal axe to grind here. That said, as long as fcp is offered as a base defense, they have a responsibility to make sure that it's working correctly.

Yeah it has to be at least competitive with the right players.

Quote: Originally Posted By cmthieme on 5/26/2010If the new engine effectively kills fullcourt press (by making it ineffective due to the same reasons pretty much nobody runs it in real life), that's a good thing that moves the game in a more realistic direction

If they wanted to kill it, then just go ahead and kill it, and allow coaches to change the IQs to man or zone (so as to not penalize press teams).

If it is going to stay then it needs to work correctly.

Quote: Originally Posted By acn24 on 5/26/2010

If they wanted to kill it, then just go ahead and kill it, and allow coaches to change the IQs to man or zone (so as to not penalize press teams).

If it is going to stay then it needs to work correctly.

Agreed... People have spent a good amount of time and money building up their teams. They shouldn't have everything they've done to build a good pressing team destroyed in one fell swoop.

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Quote: Originally Posted By cmthieme on 5/26/2010
If the new engine effectively kills fullcourt press (by making it ineffective due to the same reasons pretty much nobody runs it in real life), that's a good thing that moves the game in a more realistic direction.

If they wanted to kill it, then just go ahead and kill it, and allow coaches to change the IQs to man or zone (so as to not penalize press teams).

If it is going to stay then it needs to work correctly.

+1 --- And we (those of us that play press) are essentially paying money to be guine pigs --- that aint right.

Quote: Originally Posted By reinsel on 5/26/2010Yeah it has to be at least competitive with the right players

Sure. But what are the "right" players? I'd say you need to have very high stamina, run 10-12 deep in the rotation, be faster and more athletic than your opponent, and really understand trapping/pressing concepts in real life to be effective at a "fullcourt press". As assembling a team in real life that meets these requirements is pretty difficult, you don't see many (any?) coaches doing it.

If someone in HD can assemble that team, it should be effective. If it's not in that situation, then WIS should fix it. But if the new engine does not allow a team without clear speed/athleticism advantages, a deep rotation, and good IQs to be successful at all running FCP, that sounds about right to me. A team like that would foul a lot and/or give up a lot of layups in real life too. They'd keep doing it until the coach switched to a more logical defense.

I'd be fine if they killed it altogether. I'd be just as fine if they made it so difficult to work (just like it is in real life) that it dies a natural death.

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Quote: Originally Posted By acn24 on 5/26/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By cmthieme on 5/26/2010
If the new engine effectively kills fullcourt press (by making it ineffective due to the same reasons pretty much nobody runs it in real life), that's a good thing that moves the game in a more realistic direction.

If they wanted to kill it, then just go ahead and kill it, and allow coaches to change the IQs to man or zone (so as to not penalize press teams).

If it is going to stay then it needs to work correctly.

+1 --- And we (those of us that play press) are essentially paying money to be guine pigs --- that aint right

Payback for the last few years that it's been way too effective? I bet 75% of rewards points have been going to pressing teams.