In Tark, we are 3-3 in conference. We havent won a road game and have won all 3 home games. We are blowing every team out at home and getting blown out on the road. There are very good teams in the conference and I'm not expecting to win them all. However, I would like to see games that reflect the ratings of the teams. The games should be close, not 30 point swings in each game. If these results do not change, I am done with HD. This is ridiculous.

first of all, an 8 point loss is not a blow out. Secondly, you lost big to two great teams with two great coaches. I don't know what you are complaining about unless you just want to complain about something.

I will agree and complain about the results are whacky all around. Check out Allen and UConn is sitting at 4-6 right now. Tell me how this team should not be in the top 15 right now and shouldn't be at least 7-3 or 8-2 now. The engine is messed up since the new release and it isn't just with my Allen team. Its all around. I just beat Michigan St with Oakland in my first year in Iba, that should not have happened!

Some folks seem to want to play highest overall ratings wins dynasty...

Quote: Originally Posted By smackawits on 6/05/2010
first of all, an 8 point loss is not a blow out. Secondly, you lost big to two great teams with two great coaches. I don't know what you are complaining about unless you just want to complain about something.

Final score doesn't indicate closeness of a game, for example I just lost to dan2980's Providence team by 9 at home but I was down by 20 the whole second half and made a meaningless run when he had his backups in to make it 9. I'm 1-6 in that conference with a couple of blowout losses to teams that aren't much better if they're better at all.

I have a D2 team in Tark, I'm the #2 RPI team with a 14-3 record. All 3 of my losses are on the road and the closest of those games is 28, all to top 10 RPI teams. I've also played 2 top 10 RPI teams at home and I beat them by 15 and 16 including the #1 RPI team. It's a bit odd that I've played 5 games against top 10 RPI teams while I myself am a top 10 RPI team and the closest game has been 15 points.

Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx on 6/05/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By smackawits on 6/05/2010
first of all, an 8 point loss is not a blow out. Secondly, you lost big to two great teams with two great coaches. I don't know what you are complaining about unless you just want to complain about something.

Final score doesn't indicate closeness of a game, for example I just lost to dan2980's Providence team by 9 at home but I was down by 20 the whole second half and made a meaningless run when he had his backups in to make it 9. I'm 1-6 in that conference with a couple of blowout losses to teams that aren't much better if they're better at all.

I have a D2 team in Tark, I'm the #2 RPI team with a 14-3 record. All 3 of my losses are on the road and the closest of those games is 28, all to top 10 RPI teams. I've also played 2 top 10 RPI teams at home and I beat them by 15 and 16 including the #1 RPI team. It's a bit odd that I've played 5 games against top 10 RPI teams while I myself am a top 10 RPI team and the closest game has been 15 points.

This happens in real life as well when looking at final scores, however.

Teams that have been being blown out all game make a meaningless run near the end to make it 'close'.

I beat Syracuse by 33 at home. I lose to Rutgers by 48 on the road. I beat Seton Hall by 27 at home. I lost to UConn by 26 on the road. All of these teams are pretty even in terms of talent. The results should match that. The results are nuts.

Did I once say I should have won. No. I said the results are nuts.

Quote: Originally Posted By dacj501 on 6/05/2010Some folks seem to want to play highest overall ratings wins dynasty..

Nice job reading. I never said overall ratings. However, if you look at each position one at a time, I would say Gtown, Syracuse, Rutgers and UConn are pretty close. To have such wild results is nuts. If its one game, ok. But it is consistently happening and it should not.

I have heard from numerous different well-respected veterans that have said they felt that the home/road correlation is too strong ... cruising at home, *** kicked on the road.

Didn't they say they were increasing the impact of HCA?

Quote: Originally Posted By dan2980 on 6/05/2010I will agree and complain about the results are whacky all around. Check out Allen and UConn is sitting at 4-6 right now. Tell me how this team should not be in the top 15 right now and shouldn't be at least 7-3 or 8-2 now. The engine is messed up since the new release and it isn't just with my Allen team. Its all around. I just beat Michigan St with Oakland in my first year in Iba, that should not have happened

I understand the criticism, but can we at least keep it realistic. Michigan State isn't that great and Oakland beat them on their home court by 1 point.

OH, THE HORROR!!!!

Quote: Originally posted by sully712 on 6/05/2010I beat Syracuse by 33 at home.  I lose to Rutgers by 48 on the road.  I beat Seton Hall by 27 at home.  I lost to UConn by 26 on the road.  All of these teams are pretty even in terms of talent.  The results should match that.  The results are nuts.Did I once say I should have won.  No.  I said the results are nuts.

Wow! Two staggering realizations: There's gambling here at Rick's Cafe American and; a series of widely disparate HD results, defended by apologists under the rubric, "stuff happens."

Maybe HD should implement a new engine to minimize the more extreme variableationisms.

Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 6/05/2010I have heard from numerous different well-respected veterans that have said they felt that the home/road correlation is too strong ... cruising at home, *** kicked on the road.

I agree. My team has talent, but when we play at home I feel I like I'll put up 85+ points and cruise. Road games are much closer, and I put up closer to 70 a game and win a much closer game. Tonight is my 10th non conf game, and its on the road. I feel like if it was home I'd win, but I think I'll be lucky to steal this win. My only loss has been a road loss vrs a 3-6 team - although a very talented team. IMO, I would have won if it was at home.

one point loss no big deal, but I am hard pressed to find many single digit games with the new engine, the problem I am seeing is 30 pt wins at home, 30 pts losses on the road to either the same team or teams of the same level, uconn beats syracuse by 30, syracuse beats georgetown by 30, geargetown beats uconn by 30, all won by home teams for example

If it is a problem, we will all see it soon enough, if it isn't, not big deal - I would guess it has something to do with HCA being too strong, esp in the A range (hence d3 would not even see the issue),

maybe a little to do with the engine std deviation of results being just a bit too high (not sure if that is worded the right way, what I mean is we get too many 80-50 games vs even teams, we would like to have more 68-62 games)

Having lots of 68-62 games happen, while still having the better teams winning more often than a coin flip, has always been an issue, probably a little more with the new engine, but only cause my guess is lots of tarek's tweeks for the past 5 years were to try and balance that sort of thing.

will be interesting to say the least

Quote: Originally Posted By dacj501 on 6/05/2010Some folks seem to want to play highest overall ratings wins dynasty..

Isnt that the main thing the update did?