PF DII recruit

A-61 high
sp-20 avg
reb-4 high
def-71 high
blk-1 high     
LP-1 high
PE-2 low
bh-37 low    
pa-20 low
st-73 low
du-42 high
ft- 68.3% low

so this guy could be 90 ath and def with 30's in basically every other stat.
not a position i need to recruit but i came across it and was intrigued. if all the stats are high/high you think he is gonna be good at all?

maybe at DIII but no way at DII

As a side note, this is the kind of recruit that makes no sense and shows how overboard this whole thing has gone.  First of all, if you really think about this guy, he couldn't even play high school ball, let alone get recruited, but the ratings make no sense together.  Its just stupid that this player even exists.

Sorry to steal your thread like that Doc.

he would be recruited for DIII maybe DII in real life. He is gonna be 6'5 defensive freak who can is insanely athletic (strength in this case) and won't turn the ball over as much as most big men. perfect sf backup. plus if that rare accurance of improving enough to become a good rebounder happens he becomes a decent player since he won't be a complete spazoid on putbacks. the 71 WE also makes him a perfect practice player for your starters to get better.

Yeah this is kind of a dumb player.  a decent defensive player with zero and I mean zero skill on the other side.  (actually not even that good at defense due to the 4? rebounding.)

looks like a bad player. whats the intrigue?

This reminds me of my skill set in High School.

I agree that this might be a more realistic DIII type player (since all the DIII players I've ever seen are either very good or better athletes who don't have the basketball smarts/skills to play at a higher level or players with basketball skills but very little speed or athleticism). 

However, like a lot of other things, simply because it is more realistic, doesn't make it better for HD.

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 8/11/2010 10:40:00 AM (view original):
looks like a bad player. whats the intrigue?

just the oddity of the skill set and how he will improve on all things he is bad on. who in the hell was coaching this guy to allow a 6'5" guy to not know how to rebound score down low or block and he still shows good ability to learn how to. the intrigue is its interesting to see, not that anyone would ever recruit the guy

yeah but he really won't improve in many of those categories. its a tease.

A-61 high.................so lets say he goes to 80+ ath that is good.
sp-20 avg...............maybe up to 27 spd..........that is good
reb-4 high..............tease..........maybe he gets to 11 to 15 by senior year
def-71 high.............def gets to 90 alright thats awesome
blk-1 high...............tease...........11 to 15
LP-1 high................tease ..............11 to 15
PE-2 low..................crap
bh-37 low.................gets to 39 or so but u won't put minutes there so it stays the same and he has good bh.
pa-20 low............good passing skills for a big
st-73 low .................alright starting stamina but it won't improve much........okay
du-42 high............who cares?
ft- 68.3% low...............good for a big

alright so by his junior/senior year you will have a pf who can't reb, blk, shoot from the low post or the perimeter, tires quickly...........but he can handle the rock, pass a little and play great defense....................that just doesn't get my rocks off..........he is a perfect example of the teases that this new engine is creating and i can't stand it.

Posted by cburton23 on 8/11/2010 9:16:00 AM (view original):
As a side note, this is the kind of recruit that makes no sense and shows how overboard this whole thing has gone.  First of all, if you really think about this guy, he couldn't even play high school ball, let alone get recruited, but the ratings make no sense together.  Its just stupid that this player even exists.

Sorry to steal your thread like that Doc.

Bingo - this is the perfect example of the idiotic logic (or lack of) that we see with the new release.

I am all for variability in recruits but for god's sakes make the players believable!

my son and I play a lot of what if with real life players, we will give the 12 HD ratings to real life kids, either at his school - uw gb, other horizon league players, kids we coach in AAU, etc.  We have sort of come to a conclusion that there really are a limited number of 'types' of players, with variation.

If one cannot get all nba ready guys, here is our conclusion for filling a 12 man team in the state of wisconsin:

2 midget pg's (you can't find 6'2" guys who are athletes and fast and bh/pa, but you can find quite a few 5'8"-10" guys)

3 6'2"-6'4" shooting / skilled wings

3 athletic / ps / def / reb wings of the same size

2 shooting / skilled big men

2 low skill even bigger men, with as much ath/sp as possible

of course this is a rough estimate, but many college teams are made up with this formula, the height of the players and depth of the ath / sp just varies.

I felt tarek sort of understood this 'type' issue, seble simply has turned a random number generator loose and he players we are getting make little sense to a basketball guy, lots of sense to a math guy - oh well - nice topic - good catch - you can try to write up a ticket - you do have a valid point?

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 8/11/2010 11:29:00 AM (view original):
yeah but he really won't improve in many of those categories. its a tease.

A-61 high.................so lets say he goes to 80+ ath that is good.
sp-20 avg...............maybe up to 27 spd..........that is good
reb-4 high..............tease..........maybe he gets to 11 to 15 by senior year
def-71 high.............def gets to 90 alright thats awesome
blk-1 high...............tease...........11 to 15
LP-1 high................tease ..............11 to 15
PE-2 low..................crap
bh-37 low.................gets to 39 or so but u won't put minutes there so it stays the same and he has good bh.
pa-20 low............good passing skills for a big
st-73 low .................alright starting stamina but it won't improve much........okay
du-42 high............who cares?
ft- 68.3% low...............good for a big

alright so by his junior/senior year you will have a pf who can't reb, blk, shoot from the low post or the perimeter, tires quickly...........but he can handle the rock, pass a little and play great defense....................that just doesn't get my rocks off..........he is a perfect example of the teases that this new engine is creating and i can't stand it.

i thought the position name didn't matter, so why does him being listed as a pf mean anything?

it doesn't. he'd stink at any position, but he'd sure play some nice D.

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 8/11/2010 11:29:00 AM (view original):
yeah but he really won't improve in many of those categories. its a tease.

A-61 high.................so lets say he goes to 80+ ath that is good.
sp-20 avg...............maybe up to 27 spd..........that is good
reb-4 high..............tease..........maybe he gets to 11 to 15 by senior year
def-71 high.............def gets to 90 alright thats awesome
blk-1 high...............tease...........11 to 15
LP-1 high................tease ..............11 to 15
PE-2 low..................crap
bh-37 low.................gets to 39 or so but u won't put minutes there so it stays the same and he has good bh.
pa-20 low............good passing skills for a big
st-73 low .................alright starting stamina but it won't improve much........okay
du-42 high............who cares?
ft- 68.3% low...............good for a big

alright so by his junior/senior year you will have a pf who can't reb, blk, shoot from the low post or the perimeter, tires quickly...........but he can handle the rock, pass a little and play great defense....................that just doesn't get my rocks off..........he is a perfect example of the teases that this new engine is creating and i can't stand it.

i was under the impression a high-high potential would easily yield 30+ pts regardless of starting ability. and shouldnt it be easier for players to improve very raw ability quickly if they have the potential to get better? I see this all the time with foreign players. an example is Hamady Ndiaye. Rutgers center who started playing at like 15. didnt really play at all freshman college. by senior year he was Big East Defensive player,  broke Rutgers career (with only 3 yrs starting) and single season blocking records and got drafted this year.

just thought of a better example in steve nash. started playing ball at 16 in Canada! went to Santa Clara University became a first rounder and future back to back NBA mvp. Someone like this would have lower ratings for DI but have STL potential and become a verrrry good junior/senior to help a average team in a crap division make the dance and advance