what makes you think that?

I totally disagree.

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Wrong.

He's got some high athleticism players on his only team so I'm guessing they are underperforming in his eyes, therefore athleticism is no longer a factor in this game. Sound logic!

Posted by jaggedendz on 9/5/2010 10:07:00 AM (view original):

I'm starting to relize that ATH no longer is a factor in this game what so ever......

Interesting. What makes you think so?

He lost last night to a team who he is an average of 25 ath points better. I'm assuming its that.

Not just this season, its a factor of previous seasons as well. I run a fastbreak/Press system that utilizes ATH/SPD the most for success. My team is far athletic than any other team, but yet I lose games this season, and previous ones. The old system of HD had ATH/SPD advantage was huge. It doesn't seem to matter any more with the new engine. I'm prolly wrong, it just seems to be going that way.

I don't think its ath/speed mattering less, but fatigue mattering more. Fb/press is death in the new HD. 

Well, then again, the USA bastketball team is far more athletic than their compition and they barely pull out wins, almost losing games........

Posted by furry_nipps on 9/5/2010 8:52:00 PM (view original):
I don't think its ath/speed mattering less, but fatigue mattering more. Fb/press is death in the new HD. 

Death as in it doesn't work anymore or never has?

It doesn't work anymore. You get way to tired. I tried it on a couple teams. I can't even go just straight press and a regular offense on a national championship type team without losing by 30. I mixed it in with zone and went onto the title game. I wouldn't even want to see how bad caldwell would have been with a press/fb.

Yea, you need amazing stamina to go with top line athleticism and speed to make FB/Press work.

If you still have an extremely talented team then the press will still work but its not nearly as effective as it used to be. You can still force a lot of turnovers with high speed and athleticism but the biggest difference is that the amount of easy lay ups off turnovers is WAY down in the new engine. Other big differences are that you will foul a ton and still end up giving up a fair amount of points.

For example my Naismith team is 3rd in D2 in TOs forced a game at 23.1 per but still gives up 70 points a game and we commit 21 fouls a game too