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dahsdebater
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I've never made the jump to D1, but it seems to me that it shouldn't be all that easy to move directly to a mid-major from a D-II school.  I'd prefer to give lower-tier D1 coaches that opportunity first.  If all that really matters is your last 4 seasons then you probably would have been better off a season or 2 ago...
11/7/2010 10:36 PM
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I have to agree with dahsdebater here. The game is designed to make you pay your dues in low D-1 then mid major before Big 6..Nothing wrong with that, If you want to be a d2 superstar.. great, but dont expect an ACC job when you are ready to move
11/7/2010 10:39 PM
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Posted by dahsdebater on 11/7/2010 10:36:00 PM (view original):
I've never made the jump to D1, but it seems to me that it shouldn't be all that easy to move directly to a mid-major from a D-II school.  I'd prefer to give lower-tier D1 coaches that opportunity first.  If all that really matters is your last 4 seasons then you probably would have been better off a season or 2 ago...
I agree that a lower-tier D1 coach should probably have an advantage over a D2 coach, but not if the D2 coach has a significantly better resume.  Not that much difference prestige-wise between the top level D2 schools and the bottom feeder D1 schools.  That much is obvious during recruiting.........
11/7/2010 11:01 PM
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Posted by kannc6 on 11/7/2010 10:39:00 PM (view original):
I have to agree with dahsdebater here. The game is designed to make you pay your dues in low D-1 then mid major before Big 6..Nothing wrong with that, If you want to be a d2 superstar.. great, but dont expect an ACC job when you are ready to move
And I would also say that if you're actually having to take this route to end up at a BCS school, you're probably just not having enough success at the previous school.  It's fairly easy to get to a BCS school as long as the conference has openings, and to suggest that you HAVE to go low D-1, then mid-major, before landing a BCS school is just not correct.

I can't count on one hand, literally, the number of times I've jumped straight from D2 to a BCS conference.  Granted, I was at those D2 schools for an extremely long time and was very, very successful with those teams, so I know how long it takes to qualify for those jobs.  I'm here to tell you though, it's not as long as you may seem to think.  It's all about success and timing.

To those new coaches who happen to be reading this thread, yes I guess the "traditional" route is D3, D2, low D-1, mid-major D1, then BCS school, but it CERTAINLY doesn't have to be that way.  At all.
11/7/2010 11:43 PM (edited)
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Anyone else have thoughts/opinions?
11/7/2010 11:16 PM
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I plan on moving up next year in Knight after my sensational seniors have their good year next year, but I also looked at jobs and i am generally qualified for most jobs in small conferences up to C-, long shot for three C schools, but not qualified for some D schools that were in mid-major conferences.  I think, given my resume, that is right where I should be.  Now after next year when I'm looking to move up, I sure hope I'll qualify for some of those lowly-mid major schools, but for now I think it's good.  

Resume:
Season Coach Overall
W-L		 Home
W-L		 Road
W-L		 Neutral
W-L		 Conf
W-L		 Rank RPI Prestige Notes
31 tkimble 30-2 12-0 13-1 5-1 16-0 4 5 A Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (Sweet 16)
30 tkimble 25-6 10-0 11-5 4-1 15-1   37 A- Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (2nd Round)
29 tkimble 18-13 5-4 10-7 3-2 10-6   43 B+ NT At-large Bid
NT (1st Round)
28 tkimble 22-7 12-2 9-3 1-2 13-3   40 B+ NT At-large Bid
NT (2nd Round)


P.S.-My big guy is going to surpass your big guy as the best ever in d2 knight dcy .
 
11/7/2010 11:20 PM
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My caldwell team even after a national title and 2 other NT runs in a 6 year span I wasn't qualified for some of the A-10 schools either
11/7/2010 11:22 PM
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Posted by furry_nipps on 11/7/2010 11:22:00 PM (view original):
My caldwell team even after a national title and 2 other NT runs in a 6 year span I wasn't qualified for some of the A-10 schools either

Interesting Furry.  Maybe the promotion process HAS changed since the last time I've tried to promote.

11/7/2010 11:34 PM
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Posted by tkimble on 11/7/2010 11:20:00 PM (view original):
I plan on moving up next year in Knight after my sensational seniors have their good year next year, but I also looked at jobs and i am generally qualified for most jobs in small conferences up to C-, long shot for three C schools, but not qualified for some D schools that were in mid-major conferences.  I think, given my resume, that is right where I should be.  Now after next year when I'm looking to move up, I sure hope I'll qualify for some of those lowly-mid major schools, but for now I think it's good.  

Resume:
Season Coach Overall
W-L		 Home
W-L		 Road
W-L		 Neutral
W-L		 Conf
W-L		 Rank RPI Prestige Notes
31 tkimble 30-2 12-0 13-1 5-1 16-0 4 5 A Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (Sweet 16)
30 tkimble 25-6 10-0 11-5 4-1 15-1   37 A- Conf Champion
CT Champion
NT (2nd Round)
29 tkimble 18-13 5-4 10-7 3-2 10-6   43 B+ NT At-large Bid
NT (1st Round)
28 tkimble 22-7 12-2 9-3 1-2 13-3   40 B+ NT At-large Bid
NT (2nd Round)


P.S.-My big guy is going to surpass your big guy as the best ever in d2 knight dcy .
 
Your guy can NEVER pass mine tkimble, NEVER I say!!! 
11/7/2010 11:35 PM
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I went to Texas (albeit a C- Texas) directly from USC, Aiken in Smith after seaon 34.  We are now at season 47.  It could be that I had 2 seasons at D1 prior and then took 13 season off before going back to USCA....not sure. 
11/8/2010 12:38 AM
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They must have changed the logic.  There was a time when I could have jumped straight from D3 to low D-1 (On my udm_mike alias, before I started to suck as a coach).  I'd think your resume would be plenty good enough for a C- prestige.  What does it matter what conference it is?  The conference prestige is built into the school prestige already, isn't it?  So a C- ACC school should theoretically be as prestigious as a C- Horizon school.  Or am I mistaken there?
11/8/2010 5:51 AM
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in the early days of Phelan or Knight, many folks were very unhappy when a couple folks coming off great seasons jumped ahead of the "standard" track.....there was then some tinkering.....hard to please all with what I'll call the promotion sequence
11/8/2010 6:11 AM
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Posted by ll316 on 11/8/2010 5:51:00 AM (view original):
They must have changed the logic.  There was a time when I could have jumped straight from D3 to low D-1 (On my udm_mike alias, before I started to suck as a coach).  I'd think your resume would be plenty good enough for a C- prestige.  What does it matter what conference it is?  The conference prestige is built into the school prestige already, isn't it?  So a C- ACC school should theoretically be as prestigious as a C- Horizon school.  Or am I mistaken there?
Yeah, actually you're mistaken. Definitely possible to have two schools with the same prestige and the BCS school is still tougher to qualify for.
11/8/2010 6:36 AM
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