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prezuiwf
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It'd be nice to have a way to view player award shares, especially during HoF nominations and voting. Maybe a guy only won 1 MVP but finished 2nd 8 times-- that would be a very good piece of info to know.

12/27/2010 3:50 PM
sportsboy010
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That's a good idea. They always talk about how many top 5 finishes a player had when discussing a real players HOF candidacy.
12/27/2010 5:57 PM
taz21
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I think having the number of times they were up for Cy young or MVP would be nice.  Sometimes a guy can have multiple MVP type seasons, but he's in the same league as an all timer and gets passed over several times despite seasons that would normally win the award. Doesn't really mean he's not a hall of famer.
12/29/2010 4:09 PM
overeasy
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It would be nice to have that info. In one of my worlds, we were able to just barely elect to the HOF a SP who in most worlds would have won 3-4 Cy Youngs but shared the league with one of the all-time greats of any world and never took home the hardware. It took some major campaigning to get him 18 votes.
In another of my worlds, I have a still active player who was the MVP runner-up five times in six seasons and never won the award.
12/30/2010 4:00 PM
shobob
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Make it so!
1/10/2011 10:33 AM
tecwrg
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The awards nomination process is flawed.  Everybody knows that.  Just like All-Star nominations are.  I assume the engine uses pretty much the same bizarre logic for both.

With that in mind, how much sense does it make to base HOF voting on whether or not a player appeared on a flawed ballot "x" number of times in his career?
1/10/2011 10:51 AM
shobob
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The number of times that a player appears on a ballot is not as telling as the amount of votes he receives when he does.
1/10/2011 11:35 AM
tecwrg
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Not necessarily so. 

If a player from my team shows up on the ballot, he gets my vote whether or not he's most deserving of the award, because I take care of my peeps.

So my guy, who may not belong on the ballot at all, gets a vote.  Meanwhile, your guy, who should belong on the ballot, gets nada.
1/10/2011 11:47 AM
jvford
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Posted by tecwrg on 1/10/2011 10:51:00 AM (view original):
The awards nomination process is flawed.  Everybody knows that.  Just like All-Star nominations are.  I assume the engine uses pretty much the same bizarre logic for both.

With that in mind, how much sense does it make to base HOF voting on whether or not a player appeared on a flawed ballot "x" number of times in his career?
There is no 'bizarre' logic for awards and All-Star nominations.  It's pretty straight forward and is outlined in the FAQ.

1/10/2011 12:26 PM
tecwrg
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Posted by jvford on 1/10/2011 12:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 1/10/2011 10:51:00 AM (view original):
The awards nomination process is flawed.  Everybody knows that.  Just like All-Star nominations are.  I assume the engine uses pretty much the same bizarre logic for both.

With that in mind, how much sense does it make to base HOF voting on whether or not a player appeared on a flawed ballot "x" number of times in his career?
There is no 'bizarre' logic for awards and All-Star nominations.  It's pretty straight forward and is outlined in the FAQ.

So do you feel that the most appropriate players are always named to the All-Star teams?  Or that the most appropriate players are nominated for the awards each season?

1/10/2011 1:00 PM
prezuiwf
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Posted by tecwrg on 1/10/2011 1:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jvford on 1/10/2011 12:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 1/10/2011 10:51:00 AM (view original):
The awards nomination process is flawed.  Everybody knows that.  Just like All-Star nominations are.  I assume the engine uses pretty much the same bizarre logic for both.

With that in mind, how much sense does it make to base HOF voting on whether or not a player appeared on a flawed ballot "x" number of times in his career?
There is no 'bizarre' logic for awards and All-Star nominations.  It's pretty straight forward and is outlined in the FAQ.

So do you feel that the most appropriate players are always named to the All-Star teams?  Or that the most appropriate players are nominated for the awards each season?

It's a little wonky but not much more so than in real life. There are egregious All-Star snubs every year in the MLB.
1/10/2011 1:38 PM
jvford
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Posted by tecwrg on 1/10/2011 1:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jvford on 1/10/2011 12:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 1/10/2011 10:51:00 AM (view original):
The awards nomination process is flawed.  Everybody knows that.  Just like All-Star nominations are.  I assume the engine uses pretty much the same bizarre logic for both.

With that in mind, how much sense does it make to base HOF voting on whether or not a player appeared on a flawed ballot "x" number of times in his career?
There is no 'bizarre' logic for awards and All-Star nominations.  It's pretty straight forward and is outlined in the FAQ.

So do you feel that the most appropriate players are always named to the All-Star teams?  Or that the most appropriate players are nominated for the awards each season?

Nope.  But I just about always feel that the player who deserves the award is among the 5 listed.

And back to the point, the logic makes sense.
1/10/2011 2:40 PM
deathinahole
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"In each case, there are weights assigned to the individual components for the award calculation. While real life awards are decided by writers using the core raw stats and their personal opinion of how good/valuable players are (despite numerous objections by other esteemed writers across the land), HBD can use more appropriate statistics and accuracy to determine the best of the best.

If you think you have a player that should be up for an award but he isn't listed, be sure to evaluate all the component pieces and compare them to the players ranked ahead of them. It's hard to take sometime (like when you have a player with 55 HR, 150 RBI and a .340 AVG not in the top then), but there are always reasons why they are ranked where they are. They could be playing 1B while those ahead are SS & CF. They could be playing half their games in a hitter's park while those ahead play in pitcher's parks. Many reasons, all put together, and the best are at the top of the pack."

Clear as mud. There is a logical, mystical formula that will not be divulged. If you have a player that you think should be up for the award, look at the players ranked ahead of your player, and try to guess this magical, mystical formula to guess why he didn't make it.
1/10/2011 3:22 PM
overeasy
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Why didn't you post the beginning of Knowlege Base Article #670 from which you got your quote:

"Cy Young: Innings Pitched, Earned Runs, Strikeouts, Saves, Shutouts, Wins, Losses, Team Records and Park Factor.

MVP: Runs Created, Good Plays, Poor Plays, Fielding percentage, Park Factor, Position Played (difficulty), Passed Balls (catchers only)"

Not quite as mystical now, eh?
The only part that I have seen that seems a bit wonky is when someone is using a 1B or LF who makes a ton of plus plays, they can get propped up onto the ballot when they shouldn't even be close.
I think it would be nice if they added to the player's awards list with something like this:  AL(or NL) MVP (or Cy Young) Finalist (#) with the # being where they placed 2-5 in the voting.

1/10/2011 5:35 PM
deathinahole
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Not as mystical? Give me the weight of each they use in that formula. Describe position played (difficulty) to me.

Better yet, tell me how many MVP candidates you've seen that were not corner OF or 1B, and if they weren't, defensively, they should have been.

MLB has had 64 non 1B or OF MVPs in both leagues since 1931. I'd say the weighting, whatever it is, might be a little off.
1/10/2011 5:54 PM
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