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mjdato
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Thanks for the note. In our Hardball Dynasty game, the max pitch count is strictly adhered to. Once he reached it, he was pulled even though he had a no -no going. In our SimLeague Baseball game, we allow for some leeway in this situation but it was determined early on that most HBDers preferred us to follow the settings exactly.

I didn't think this was the case but since it is do you agree with it because I can't imagine any owner who knows what they're doing care if their pitcher throws 15 extra pitches to try for a no hitter.

1/23/2011 2:53 PM
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Well since you have already stated that any owner who disagrees with you has no idea what they are doing I would not expect too many responses.
1/23/2011 3:01 PM
mjdato
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not what I meant at all . expected some dumb responses just not first.
1/23/2011 3:05 PM
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I feel like I know what I'm doing.  I couldn't care less if one guy gets pulled after 8 2/3 with a no-hitter.   What do I get if he gets one?  The opportunity to post "Hey, look!  My pitcher threw a no-no" and get one "Congrats", one "Big deal" and three "STFU".
1/23/2011 3:12 PM
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Your pitcher get an Acheievement note of "No-Hitter" that's more important than not burning him out, obviously.
1/23/2011 3:38 PM
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Ok here is why they do this in HBD and not in the sim.

To: Customer Support.

  You guys better fix this. My ace pitcher just went down for the season and lost 9 points with an arm injury that happened after he threw his 118th pitch. My max pitch count is 110. I don't give a gosh darn if he was pitching a perfect game take him out when I tell you to!!!!!


And that would be the polite version of that tickett.
1/23/2011 3:45 PM
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I believe the only way around it would be to have a manager setting where you tick a box if you are wiling for a pitchers to be left in past their max count during no-hitters (and perhaps a drop down for how many pitches allowed over). 
1/23/2011 3:53 PM
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Posted by opie100 on 1/23/2011 3:55:00 PM (view original):
I believe the only way around it would be to have a manager setting where you tick a box if you are wiling for a pitchers to be left in past their max count during no-hitters (and perhaps a drop down for how many pitches allowed over). 
If they include that, then they might as well include a "don't use defensive replacements on a player who may hit for a cycle regardless of the defensive replacement settings" box. While no hitters are cute and everything, I would rather the game hold my pitchers to the pitch count that I set to reduce injuries and general sub-par pitching. The game is about wins; if you're interested first and foremost in stats and accolades then go play The Show.
1/23/2011 3:58 PM
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Posted by opie100 on 1/23/2011 3:55:00 PM (view original):
I believe the only way around it would be to have a manager setting where you tick a box if you are wiling for a pitchers to be left in past their max count during no-hitters (and perhaps a drop down for how many pitches allowed over). 
Better yet would be that it would be all right unless he is going to get hurt, then take him out!!
1/23/2011 4:42 PM
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There is no "I" in team.

In other words, I don't really care about individual player accomplishments in individual games.  I care more about the accomplishments of a roster of 25 players over 162 games.

No hitters are really nothing more than meaningless trivia within the context of the game.
1/23/2011 5:36 PM
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This is actually a good point. Alot of guys on here want the SIM to mimic MLB as best as possible, otherwise it wouldn't really be a simulation would it? How many big league managers (guys who know what they are doing) would pull their SP with a no-hitter or perfect game in the 9th inning? Hell, even in the 7th or 8th inning a manager will leave his guy in there until he gives up a hit, just so he can say he gave his guy a shot to do something that history suggests is very rare. You can argue the other side all you want, but I don't know if there is one instance in the history of baseball where a manager pulled his SP in the 9th with a perfect game going, just because the pitcher has hit his 'target pitch count'. Would I be ****** off if my guy got hurt because he was left in after he reached his max pitch count? Probably. But not if he was throwing a perfect game or no-hitter because I understand that if I was managing I would leave him in there to finish his business.
1/23/2011 10:01 PM
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www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1996/B09020OAK1996.htm

David Cone was pulled after throwing seven innings of no-hit ball due to pitch count restrictions.

1/23/2011 10:44 PM
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If the manager did not have to care about sports talk radio, ESPN, fans and the ego of the pitcher involved it would happen more often.
1/24/2011 8:38 AM
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If you care about such things as no-hitters, sit your pitch settings to maximum = none (and target to whatever). And pull rating at something other than one.

And then the next thread is going to be about how your guy threw a 130 pitch CG when he had a 6-0 lead after 4 and obviously any manager would have pulled him with the game in hand.

The engine does a fantastic job of managing pitchers. But it isn't a psychic, and can't know that you want the rules you set violated under some arbitrary set of circumstances.
1/24/2011 8:46 AM
MikeT23
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Posted by timf on 1/23/2011 10:01:00 PM (view original):
This is actually a good point. Alot of guys on here want the SIM to mimic MLB as best as possible, otherwise it wouldn't really be a simulation would it? How many big league managers (guys who know what they are doing) would pull their SP with a no-hitter or perfect game in the 9th inning? Hell, even in the 7th or 8th inning a manager will leave his guy in there until he gives up a hit, just so he can say he gave his guy a shot to do something that history suggests is very rare. You can argue the other side all you want, but I don't know if there is one instance in the history of baseball where a manager pulled his SP in the 9th with a perfect game going, just because the pitcher has hit his 'target pitch count'. Would I be ****** off if my guy got hurt because he was left in after he reached his max pitch count? Probably. But not if he was throwing a perfect game or no-hitter because I understand that if I was managing I would leave him in there to finish his business.
I wouldn't say "It happens all the time" because not many pitchers carry no-hitters into the 8th.  But it does happen and someone provided an example. 
1/24/2011 9:03 AM
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