16x16 v6 (AL Draft) Topic

16 x 16 Modified, Version 6
1901-2010 AL & NL Seasons Are Available
$120 Million Salary Cap
YES to DH

This is a 16 team league.  Each owner will nominate 1 hitter and 1 pitcher (from the same league, AL or NL only) that has played between 8 and 11 seasons* in their career.  The player must have played at least 8 but no more than 11 total seasons, regardless of which years and which league those seasons occured.  (This eliminates any overlap of the 12x12 theme).  Of those 8-11 seasons, at least 8 must be for an AL team or from an NL team.  Exactly 16 players (8 hitters and 8 pitchers) from each league will be nominated.

Within each league, each owner will draft a different season of each player nominated to be on their team. So all 8 teams (in the league) will own the same 16 players, but each with a different version of that player.  You may only draft seasons of players from your league.  Example: If an AL nominated player has 11 seasons, but only 9 are with an AL team, then only those 9 seasons are eligible to be selected.  The other 2 seasons are "dead" and will not be used.

* Note that if a player played 7 seasons, but played for 2 different teams in one season, that counts as 8 seasons for purposes of this theme (you'll understand why after reading the remaining rules ).

A regular lineup will be used for nominations so we'll need C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF and 8 Pitchers. For players who played more than one position, there will be some leeway on which position he will qualify at.

Upon signup, list your two players (not years).  Then site-mail me which of their seasons you are going to take.  Returning owners get first dibs at players, on a first-come, first-serve basis.  (You may change your mind on your selection up until the last player is chosen). I will choose my player after at least 3 owners in one league choose. Once all 8 owners in a league have chosen, I'll post the seasons selected and the draft order. We'll have a 14 round draft to select the other 7 seasons each of the nominated hitters and pitchers. Draft order for each round will be based on the cumulative salary going into that round (lowest salary drafts first).

HERE'S WHERE STRATEGY COMES INTO PLAY
The remaining 9 roster spots must be filled with teammates of your drafted players. These teammate slots are like gold, so use them wisely.  They must be from the same season of your drafted player... no twisting.  Nominated players (regardless of league) cannot be used as a teammate.  If you draft a player season with 2+ teams, you can choose which of the four versions of that season you want to use (Team A, Team B, Full or Partial), and can only take teammates from that team. Only one Team A and one Team B season may be chosen (i.e., if I take Team A - Partial, Team A - Full is off the board).  This is how a player with 7 seasons, including one multi-team season can be allowed. Or similarly, a player with 6 seasons, w/ two multi-team seasons is allowed, etc.. 

When the draft is completed, you will have 16 drafted players (including your 2 original nominations) and you will then add 9 teammates (chosen from the 16 teams of those 16 drafted players) to get a complete roster of 25 players.  You can use more than one teammate per drafted player and many drafted players won't have teammates represented.

*** A popular modification was made in version 4 - the addition of a $120 million salary cap. Be very careful in your player selection during the draft. In the late stages of the draft, you may find yourself stuck having to roster a high-priced stiff that would put you over the cap, forcing you to downgrade one of your key teammates.

Salary Cap = $120 million
Seasons - 1901 thru 2010 only (AL, NL only)
No AAA
No WW
YES DH
No Trades
No Clones
No Injuries
No Live Play
Any stadium from your respective league
Random alignment - within each league

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bbondsmvp; calhoop; Donburgh; ejstockman; ff09; jtpsops; marlowe; mllama54; mpitt76; njbigwig; Oli35; pedrocerrano; schwarze; shawbigred; shysters3; Whiteslave
2/1/2011 9:49 AM (edited)
 
Player Team ______Salary ___Owner___
Munson, Thurman 1969 New York Yankees 1,184,076 shysters3
Munson, Thurman 1970 New York Yankees 5,026,911  
Munson, Thurman 1971 New York Yankees 4,459,191  
Munson, Thurman 1972 New York Yankees 4,766,609 marlowe
Munson, Thurman 1973 New York Yankees 5,571,269 jtpsops
Munson, Thurman 1974 New York Yankees 3,749,596  
Munson, Thurman 1975 New York Yankees 6,075,129 mpitt76
Munson, Thurman 1976 New York Yankees 5,504,100 mllama54
Munson, Thurman 1977 New York Yankees 5,456,844 schwarze
Munson, Thurman 1978 New York Yankees 5,165,257 ff09
Munson, Thurman 1979 New York Yankees 3,363,960 Whiteslave
       
Player Team Salary Owner
Greenberg, Hank 1933 Detroit Tigers 3,624,679  
Greenberg, Hank 1934 Detroit Tigers 6,776,653 mpitt76
Greenberg, Hank 1935 Detroit Tigers 8,093,036 ff09
Greenberg, Hank 1937 Detroit Tigers 8,980,855 marlowe
Greenberg, Hank 1938 Detroit Tigers 8,442,480 jtpsops
Greenberg, Hank 1939 Detroit Tigers 6,246,181 Whiteslave
Greenberg, Hank 1940 Detroit Tigers 7,790,690 shysters3
Greenberg, Hank 1941 Detroit Tigers 553,626 schwarze
Greenberg, Hank 1945 Detroit Tigers 2,964,221 mllama54
Greenberg, Hank 1946 Detroit Tigers 5,838,793  
       
Player Team Salary Owner
McDougald, Gil 1951 New York Yankees 3,774,169 ff09
McDougald, Gil 1952 New York Yankees 5,336,455 mpitt76
McDougald, Gil 1953 New York Yankees 4,861,245 marlowe
McDougald, Gil 1954 New York Yankees 3,309,380 jtpsops
McDougald, Gil 1955 New York Yankees 5,773,020 schwarze
McDougald, Gil 1956 New York Yankees 5,187,944 shysters3
McDougald, Gil 1957 New York Yankees 7,051,984 Whiteslave
McDougald, Gil 1958 New York Yankees 3,972,327  
McDougald, Gil 1959 New York Yankees 3,531,610  
McDougald, Gil 1960 New York Yankees 2,165,423 mllama54
       
Player Team Salary Owner
Brosius, Scott 1991 Oakland Athletics 384,429 marlowe
Brosius, Scott 1992 Oakland Athletics 381,816 schwarze
Brosius, Scott 1993 Oakland Athletics 1,405,679 shysters3
Brosius, Scott 1994 Oakland Athletics 2,678,719  
Brosius, Scott 1995 Oakland Athletics 2,614,862 Whiteslave
Brosius, Scott 1996 Oakland Athletics 5,092,545 jtpsops
Brosius, Scott 1997 Oakland Athletics 2,449,501 ff09
Brosius, Scott 1998 New York Yankees 4,639,883 mllama54
Brosius, Scott 1999 New York Yankees 2,943,639 mpitt76
Brosius, Scott 2000 New York Yankees 2,631,905  
Brosius, Scott 2001 New York Yankees 2,977,024  
       
Player Team Salary Owner
Kubek, Tony 1957 New York Yankees 3,224,124 mllama54
Kubek, Tony 1958 New York Yankees 3,928,379 ff09
Kubek, Tony 1959 New York Yankees 4,942,847 shysters3
Kubek, Tony 1960 New York Yankees 5,149,215 schwarze
Kubek, Tony 1961 New York Yankees 4,509,908 jtpsops
Kubek, Tony 1962 New York Yankees 1,520,266 marlowe
Kubek, Tony 1963 New York Yankees 4,453,859 mpitt76
Kubek, Tony 1964 New York Yankees 3,284,745  
Kubek, Tony 1965 New York Yankees 1,366,663 Whiteslave
       
Player Team Salary Owner
Combs, Earle 1925 New York Yankees 6,809,147 Whiteslave
Combs, Earle 1926 New York Yankees 5,096,528  
Combs, Earle 1927 New York Yankees 7,769,066 schwarze
Combs, Earle 1928 New York Yankees 6,984,919 mpitt76
Combs, Earle 1929 New York Yankees 6,197,459 mllama54
Combs, Earle 1930 New York Yankees 5,660,265 marlowe
Combs, Earle 1931 New York Yankees 5,739,674 ff09
Combs, Earle 1932 New York Yankees 5,718,721 shysters3
Combs, Earle 1933 New York Yankees 3,600,065  
Combs, Earle 1934 New York Yankees 2,968,231 jtpsops
Combs, Earle 1935 New York Yankees 2,314,457  
       
Player Team Salary Owner
Hocking, Denny 1996 Minnesota Twins 537,587 mpitt76
Hocking, Denny 1997 Minnesota Twins 1,415,302 mllama54
Hocking, Denny 1998 Minnesota Twins 703,029 ff09
Hocking, Denny 1999 Minnesota Twins 1,969,667  
Hocking, Denny 2000 Minnesota Twins 2,351,037 schwarze
Hocking, Denny 2001 Minnesota Twins 1,775,080 shysters3
Hocking, Denny 2002 Minnesota Twins 1,146,004 marlowe
Hocking, Denny 2003 Minnesota Twins 785,753 Whiteslave
Hocking, Denny 2005 Kansas City Royals 364,316 jtpsops
       
Player Team Salary Owner
Henrich, Tommy 1937 New York Yankees 2,025,798 shysters3
Henrich, Tommy 1938 New York Yankees 4,192,526 ff09
Henrich, Tommy 1939 New York Yankees 3,769,048  
Henrich, Tommy 1940 New York Yankees 3,018,013 mllama54
Henrich, Tommy 1941 New York Yankees 5,217,318 marlowe
Henrich, Tommy 1942 New York Yankees 3,394,366 schwarze
Henrich, Tommy 1946 New York Yankees 4,853,755  
Henrich, Tommy 1947 New York Yankees 5,328,880 mpitt76
Henrich, Tommy 1948 New York Yankees 6,080,737 Whiteslave
Henrich, Tommy 1949 New York Yankees 4,681,212  
Henrich, Tommy 1950 New York Yankees 1,195,923 jtpsops
       
Player Team Salary Owner
Joss, Addie 1902 Cleveland Blues 9,995,410 mpitt76
Joss, Addie 1903 Cleveland Naps 10,590,133 marlowe
Joss, Addie 1904 Cleveland Naps 6,621,211 jtpsops
Joss, Addie 1905 Cleveland Naps 7,825,325  
Joss, Addie 1906 Cleveland Naps 9,428,265 Whiteslave
Joss, Addie 1907 Cleveland Naps 10,095,438 schwarze
Joss, Addie 1908 Cleveland Naps 12,778,253 mllama54
Joss, Addie 1909 Cleveland Naps 8,495,123 shysters3
Joss, Addie 1910 Cleveland Naps 2,613,455 ff09
       
Player Team Salary Owner
Leonard, Dutch 1913 Boston Red Sox 7,922,884 mllama54
Leonard, Dutch 1914 Boston Red Sox 8,905,191 schwarze
Leonard, Dutch 1915 Boston Red Sox 6,133,935 jtpsops
Leonard, Dutch 1916 Boston Red Sox 7,028,417 ff09
Leonard, Dutch 1917 Boston Red Sox 7,860,797 marlowe
Leonard, Dutch 1918 Boston Red Sox 4,459,871  
Leonard, Dutch 1919 Detroit Tigers 5,564,695 shysters3
Leonard, Dutch 1920 Detroit Tigers 4,348,057  
Leonard, Dutch 1921 Detroit Tigers 5,474,092  
Leonard, Dutch 1924 Detroit Tigers 804,275 mpitt76
Leonard, Dutch 1925 Detroit Tigers 2,741,172 Whiteslave
       
Player Team Salary Owner
Santana, Johan 2000 Minnesota Twins 1,206,847 jtpsops
Santana, Johan 2001 Minnesota Twins 587,737 Whiteslave
Santana, Johan 2002 Minnesota Twins 3,316,743 marlowe
Santana, Johan 2003 Minnesota Twins 4,806,678 mllama54
Santana, Johan 2004 Minnesota Twins 8,818,377 schwarze
Santana, Johan 2005 Minnesota Twins 7,951,808 mpitt76
Santana, Johan 2006 Minnesota Twins 7,977,991 shysters3
Santana, Johan 2007 Minnesota Twins 6,202,636 ff09
       
Player Team Salary Owner
McDowell, Jack 1987 Chicago White Sox 1,160,846 schwarze
McDowell, Jack 1988 Chicago White Sox 3,456,724 ff09
McDowell, Jack 1990 Chicago White Sox 4,522,715 mllama54
McDowell, Jack 1991 Chicago White Sox 6,956,659 jtpsops
McDowell, Jack 1992 Chicago White Sox 6,145,067  
McDowell, Jack 1993 Chicago White Sox 5,926,538  
McDowell, Jack 1994 Chicago White Sox 6,724,104 marlowe
McDowell, Jack 1995 New York Yankees 5,620,910  
McDowell, Jack 1996 Cleveland Indians 3,962,360 mpitt76
McDowell, Jack 1997 Cleveland Indians 684,392 Whiteslave
McDowell, Jack 1998 Anaheim Angels 1,242,492 shysters3
       
Player Team Salary Owner
Higuera, Teddy 1985 Milwaukee Brewers 5,394,840 ff09
Higuera, Teddy 1986 Milwaukee Brewers 6,362,732  
Higuera, Teddy 1987 Milwaukee Brewers 6,972,647 jtpsops
Higuera, Teddy 1988 Milwaukee Brewers 7,719,161 Whiteslave
Higuera, Teddy 1989 Milwaukee Brewers 3,103,422 mpitt76
Higuera, Teddy 1990 Milwaukee Brewers 3,782,700 shysters3
Higuera, Teddy 1991 Milwaukee Brewers 722,222 marlowe
Higuera, Teddy 1993 Milwaukee Brewers 232,929 schwarze
Higuera, Teddy 1994 Milwaukee Brewers 914,520 mllama54
       
Player Team Salary Owner
Latman, Barry 1958 Chicago White Sox 2,165,361 mpitt76
Latman, Barry 1959 Chicago White Sox 3,639,587 jtpsops
Latman, Barry 1960 Cleveland Indians 2,752,214 mllama54
Latman, Barry 1961 Cleveland Indians 3,921,268 shysters3
Latman, Barry 1962 Cleveland Indians 3,637,976 marlowe
Latman, Barry 1963 Cleveland Indians 2,746,386 schwarze
Latman, Barry 1964 Los Angeles Angels 2,806,126 ff09
Latman, Barry 1965 California Angels 446,731 Whiteslave
       
Player Team Salary Owner
Pineiro, Joel 2001 Seattle Mariners 3,286,139 marlowe
Pineiro, Joel 2002 Seattle Mariners 4,307,527 mllama54
Pineiro, Joel 2003 Seattle Mariners 5,269,471 mpitt76
Pineiro, Joel 2004 Seattle Mariners 2,818,686 ff09
Pineiro, Joel 2005 Seattle Mariners 3,096,603 shysters3
Pineiro, Joel 2006 Seattle Mariners 2,457,172 Whiteslave
Pineiro, Joel 2007 Boston Red Sox 1,670,889 xxxxxx
Pineiro, Joel 2007 Boston Red Sox 447,711 schwarze
Pineiro, Joel 2010 Anaheim Angels 3,385,720 jtpsops
       
Player Team Salary Owner
Davis, Ron 1979 New York Yankees 1,975,901 shysters3
Davis, Ron 1980 New York Yankees 3,344,369 Whiteslave
Davis, Ron 1981 New York Yankees 3,892,842 ff09
Davis, Ron 1982 Minnesota Twins 1,894,647 schwarze
Davis, Ron 1983 Minnesota Twins 1,892,570 marlowe
Davis, Ron 1984 Minnesota Twins 1,540,121 mpitt76
Davis, Ron 1985 Minnesota Twins 1,377,360 mllama54
Davis, Ron 1986 Minnesota Twins 536,078 xxxxxx
Davis, Ron 1986 Minnesota Twins 280,508 jtpsops
2/7/2011 8:32 PM (edited)

Nomination Players

Owner_____ Batter__________ Salary_______ Pitcher__________ Salary_______ Total Salary
mpitt76 1996 Hocking 537,587 1958 Latman 2,165,361 2,702,948
ff09 1978 Munson 5,165,257 1981 Davis 3,892,842 9,058,099
jtpsops 1996 Brosius 5,092,545 1991 McDowell 6,956,659 12,049,204
marlowe 1937 Greenberg 8,980,855 2001 Pineiro 3,286,139 12,266,994
shysters 1956 McDougald 5,187,944 2006 Santana 7,977,991 13,165,935
Whiteslave 1948 Henrich 6,080,737 1988 Higuera 7,719,161 13,799,898
mllama54 1957 Kubek 3,224,124 1908 Joss 12,778,253 16,002,377
schwarze 1927 Combs 7,769,066 1914 Leonard 8,905,191 16,674,257

2/1/2011 11:02 AM (edited)
Wow, if you haven't done so, check out the players nominated in the NL.  Almost all crap.  The NL owners are screwed.  Sure, they have a ton of cap room to pay for their 9 teammates, but you need at least 15 usable players and I'm not sure they'll be able to find 6 usable players among the players nominated.

I think my next version of this theme will put some kid of minimum limit of how many "full season" a nominated player (batter) must have to be eligible.
2/1/2011 10:12 AM
Posted by schwarze on 2/1/2011 10:12:00 AM (view original):
Wow, if you haven't done so, check out the players nominated in the NL.  Almost all crap.  The NL owners are screwed.  Sure, they have a ton of cap room to pay for their 9 teammates, but you need at least 15 usable players and I'm not sure they'll be able to find 6 usable players among the players nominated.

I think my next version of this theme will put some kid of minimum limit of how many "full season" a nominated player (batter) must have to be eligible.
Good idea.  "Screw  your buddy"  has gotten a  little out of hand.
2/1/2011 10:25 AM
'02 Addie Joss
2/1/2011 10:41 AM
1964 Barry Latman  I'm sure you knew he would go 2nd.
2/1/2011 11:17 AM
Posted by schwarze on 2/1/2011 10:12:00 AM (view original):
Wow, if you haven't done so, check out the players nominated in the NL.  Almost all crap.  The NL owners are screwed.  Sure, they have a ton of cap room to pay for their 9 teammates, but you need at least 15 usable players and I'm not sure they'll be able to find 6 usable players among the players nominated.

I think my next version of this theme will put some kid of minimum limit of how many "full season" a nominated player (batter) must have to be eligible.
Not even full...you could simply say a guy needs x number of seasons over $2 or $3million.  Even solid platoons can be effective in this theme.  When I try to "screw" people, I at least try to make sure the crappy guys I pick have full seasons that get take IP or AB.
2/1/2011 11:33 AM
Some of these guys are going to make it hard to stay under the cap at the end...good picks. 

However, we're going to take a chance and bring in the M & M boys.

'61 Tony Kubek

2/1/2011 11:45 AM
I know most of you know the rules, but I should remind the newer owners that you are allowed to take teammates of your two nominated players as well as teammates of the nominated players you end up drafting.
2/1/2011 3:28 PM
I will be gone for most of the evening.  I will site mail my proxy to Schwartz if it gets to me. 
2/1/2011 5:25 PM
1930 Combs
2/1/2011 7:01 PM
1937 Henrich
2/1/2011 7:12 PM
1906 Addie Joss
2/1/2011 9:44 PM
mllama54 takes 1945 Hank Greenberg
2/1/2011 9:45 PM
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