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Our world (Feller) has approximately 20 available fielding instructors. The highest rated FI is 87 in fielding. The second highest is 84. No one else is higher than 66. It's like this every season, and it's a pain in the ***. Please fix this.
3/18/2011 11:44 AM
MikeT23
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What's broken?
3/18/2011 11:49 AM
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The total lack of decent fielding instructors. In Feller, fielding instructors are routinely the highest paid member of any ML coaching staff (at least if you want a good one). It's not even remotely like that in real life.
3/18/2011 12:09 PM
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Did any dickweeds sign FIs to be bench coaches?  That can wreak havoc.
3/18/2011 12:14 PM
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If one team has a Gold Glove SS who rakes, should every team have one?   

The game is based on supply/demand and acquisitions.    If everyone has a 84 FI, there's really no point in pursuing one, right?   

Also, to the best of my knowledge, MLB teams don't have fielding instructors on their staff.

You may have a legit argument but you're not making it.    I'll help.

The most important coach in any HBD system is a fielding instructor.   They don't even exist in the real world.  Why do they exist in HBD?
3/18/2011 12:22 PM
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@shobob: I think so, but it hasn't been widespread.

@Mike: Thanks so much for pointing out my shortcomings.

You're right, of course. Why not just do away with the fielding instructors? I agree wholeheartedly, though I don't think your point about having a top level SS makes total sense. There's parity on some level, just like real life, so if there was one SS rated 99s across the board, I'd at least expect a second tier of SSs in the 80 range.
3/18/2011 12:32 PM
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I wasn't really attempting to point out your shortcomings.   My point was that we have to pay for what we want.   Sometimes way more than we'd like to pay.  It's about choices. 

As far as the SS, I'd just about wager you can't find more than 2-3 legit fielding SS in a world who also hit well enough to be considered for a "hitter's" position.  Much like you have two FI in the 80s and the rest are in the 60s.
3/18/2011 12:40 PM
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Well, you can take a look at Feller's ML SSs to find out for sure, but I think you're missing my point: we have two FIs in the 80s. 3 are in the 60s. The rest are in the 50s and 40s. I think the drop from 80 to 60 is substantial. If we're sticking with the SS comparison, Feller has a few good offensive SSs with decent fielding. We don't have any GG level SSs who are also great hitters. In general, though, the talent drop of is moderate: if there's a SS rated in the 90s, I'd expect a larger number of SSs rated in the 80s, then an even larger number rated in the 70s. I would not expect 2 SSs to rated 99, and the next best to be rated 77. There should be a few inbetween. If the FI positions in Feller are anomalies, I can understand that, but I get the sense this is a problem across HD.
3/18/2011 12:53 PM
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And besides, wasn't this something HD actually tried to fix already, because it was a problem? I'm simply saying they haven't resolved the issue fully.
3/18/2011 12:53 PM
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OK, I'll call Feller an anomaly.   I just checked the two worlds I commish(because I know the quality of owners).   It is a steady drop in both worlds with almost an equal number of 80s, 70s, 60s and 50s.
3/18/2011 1:00 PM
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Well, that's a bit of an exaggeration.  MG has about 10 over 70(2 over 80) and 5 under 60.  The vast majority of them are 60-69.   Coop is more like I described in the previous post.
3/18/2011 1:02 PM
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I'm not sure what the creator of this thread is smoking, but here are the fielding IQ's of the FI's who are currently signed in Feller S16:

89, 89, 89, 87, 87, 86. 84. 82, 78, 77, 77, 76, 75, 73, 68, 66, 62, 61, 59, 56, 56, 54 and 51.

Looks like the world is still in the coach hiring stage, so only 23 FI's have been hired with 9 still yet to be signed.

The real problem with Fielding Instructors is that when they are willing to be rehired, they sign for the minimum of $750k.  Yet if you have to shop on the open market for a top-rated FI, you have to be prepared to spend upwards of $5m or more.  They should fix that so that the desired salary for rehiring a FI who wants to return is at least in the ballpark of their worth on the open market.

3/18/2011 1:20 PM
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Heh.  He needs a FI and of the available ones, there are only 2 who fall into the top half of his world.    So, yeah, he wants everyone to have an 84 FI.
3/18/2011 1:24 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 3/18/2011 1:20:00 PM (view original):

I'm not sure what the creator of this thread is smoking, but here are the fielding IQ's of the FI's who are currently signed in Feller S16:

89, 89, 89, 87, 87, 86. 84. 82, 78, 77, 77, 76, 75, 73, 68, 66, 62, 61, 59, 56, 56, 54 and 51.

Looks like the world is still in the coach hiring stage, so only 23 FI's have been hired with 9 still yet to be signed.

The real problem with Fielding Instructors is that when they are willing to be rehired, they sign for the minimum of $750k.  Yet if you have to shop on the open market for a top-rated FI, you have to be prepared to spend upwards of $5m or more.  They should fix that so that the desired salary for rehiring a FI who wants to return is at least in the ballpark of their worth on the open market.

Thanks for doing that research. This obviously blows up the point I was trying to make, so I'll go back to one of Mike's early comments: if FIs don't exist in real life, why not just remove them completely. Can we agree we don't like the FI component of HBD? Is that okay?
3/18/2011 1:30 PM
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If you do away with the fielding instructor, then what would you replace it with?  Something has to be in place to help impact the development of fielding ratings, i.e. glove and arm accuracy.
3/18/2011 1:47 PM (edited)
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