Long paste ahead.
The gist: Apparently the pinch hitting hierarchy is not actually that. If you have Greaty McGee listed above Soso Averageberg in the hierarchies, Averageberg can still hit for Greaty. Should this be the case?
Admin initially says this shouldn't happen, then says it should. All in all, their answers were good, if not super-prompt. Please note that at the end they recommend opening it up to y'all. So, here:
11/6/2010 6:38 PM |
llamanunts |
How can Jerry Adair pinch hit for Roy Thomas in this game? He's below Thomas in every situation in the pinch hitting hierarchies.
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11/11/2010 8:51 AM |
Customer Support |
Scott,
Unless there is an injury or an ejection, a player below another player on the proper PH hierarchy should not ever replace the current player at the plate. Is there any chance you updated your PH hierarchies after this game? Or did you adjust your "Automatically Update Hierarchies with Recommendations when Calling-up AAA" user setting after this game?
Thanks |
11/11/2010 9:09 AM |
llamanunts |
No - when I saw it I checked the hierarchies immediately and they were already set with Adair lower than Thomas. |
11/11/2010 8:05 PM |
llamanunts |
http://whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscore.aspx?gid=13173593&pid=1&pbp=0&tf=12.95
That's a similar case. Gross is ahead of Ott in "Other" only. In Late/Close, Ott is ahead of Gross vs. both righties and lefties. 1-0 in the 8th, Gross should not come in for Ott. That's definitely late/close, no? |
11/19/2010 7:56 PM |
llamanunts |
http://whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscore.aspx?gid=13252683&pid=1&pbp=0&tf=12.95
B.Inge enters the game at C to rest the starter
Why? Bologna is ahead on the Rest hierarchy, Inge on the Defensive Replacements. You don't really need a defensive replacement in a 26-0 game, do you? This is certainly a Rest situation.
I know I'm laying out a few different scenarios in this ticket, but something has to be out of whack with the substitutions, right? |
11/20/2010 11:19 AM |
Customer Support |
Scott,
For the Bologna question, when a game reaches a point where rest can be issued, it's always about resting the starter for that game. Unlike the PH hierarchy, the manager is looking to find the first available guy on the hierarchy to rest the starter. So, while Bologna is ahead of Inge on the Rest hierarchy, he's the starter so the manager is looking to rest him. If you don't want a player to be lifted for rest, you can uncheck the Rest box on the Advanced Hitter settings page.
We're still evaluating the PH scenarios outlined previously.
Thanks |
11/20/2010 12:29 PM |
llamanunts |
Excellent, thank you. |
11/22/2010 8:29 AM |
llamanunts |
http://whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscore.aspx?gid=13271292&pid=1&pbp=0&tf=12.95
Wilson Delgado pinch-hits for Roy Thomas, late-close, below Thomas in all hierarchies. |
12/18/2010 9:57 PM |
llamanunts |
http://whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscore.aspx?gid=13503031&pid=1&pbp=0&tf=12.95
Down 3-1, late, Dickie Thon pinch-hits for Walt Weiss despite being below in late-close hierarchies. |
12/27/2010 10:12 AM |
Customer Support |
Scott,
We spent some more time digging into the Thon reference you have. Under this situation and looking at the current PH hierarchies, Thon should not be hitting for Weiss.
Are you sure you haven't changed hierarchies since this game? Have you made AAA moves that triggered the auto hierarchy adjustment (User Settings via Team Center page)?
We'd like to resolve this as it's got us baffled.
Thanks |
12/27/2010 10:52 AM |
llamanunts |
I see these situations while going through the play-by-play of each game. If I see one, I check the hierarchies to confirm that there's an issue and then update this ticket before making any changes. I don't have the auto hierarchy adjustment enabled.
Thanks for continuing to look at this. |
12/28/2010 9:20 AM |
Customer Support |
Thanks. Please continue to do so and we'll get to the bottom of this. |
2/1/2011 7:05 PM |
llamanunts |
http://whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscore.aspx?gid=13851195&pid=1&pbp=0&tf=12.95
Weaver hits for Cy Williams, game tied, 9th inning. Weaver is below Cy in late/close of all types. |
2/2/2011 5:06 PM |
Customer Support |
Scott,
We reviewed this situation again today and realized we misinformed you on 11/11/2010 with regards to pinch-hitting.
When looking for a pinch-hitter, the manager does not stop when finding the incumbent on the PH hierarchy. Rather, the manager scans the list until he finds the first available player. He then compares that player to the incumbent. This is a statistical comparison based on situation (in this case, Late and Close needing contact) and opposing pitcher arm.
Here, Weaver was a better choice than Williams.
To avoid having a specific player pinch-hit for, you can adjust their PH setting on the Advanced Settings page.
We apologize for the misinformation -- we got our PH and Def Rep hierarchy logic backwards.
Thanks |
2/25/2011 7:55 PM |
llamanunts |
I didn't reply for a while because I just couldn't process that information. It seems crazy...
How is that a good idea? It's just so obvious... you *have* to consider the incumbent there. It's the dadgum Pinch Hitting Heirarchy! It's a heirarchy. For pinch hitting.
I beg you. Please review and change this. |
2/25/2011 8:00 PM |
llamanunts |
Addendum: Yes, I want to be able to pinch hit for Cy Williams with Weaver. In blowouts, where rest settings might apply. I definitely don't want him coming in for Cy in any late/close situations. This settings config addresses that situation perfectly in a way that no other config does. If there's a strategic/settings downside to changing that, I can't see it. Please tell my why I'm wrong if I am wrong. Thanks. |
3/15/2011 9:55 AM |
Customer Support |
Scott,
Sorry for the much delayed response to your last comment.
We initially designed our PH hierarchy in the manner you described. It lead to problems where not all users micromanaged their teams and too many situations occurred where better hitters were not being used to PH due to fatigue situations and starting/benching situations.
Technically, this is an easy change. If you feel strongly about this, we suggest bringing the issue up in the forums to solicit opinions from other players. We are not opposed to making the change, but it's one that caused issues in the past.
Thanks |