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sully712
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I have a question/comment about prestige.  It seems like individual team prestige is weighted very heavily on conference play.  Here is a Virginia team resume from Tark:

Season Coach Overall
W-L		 Home
W-L		 Road
W-L		 Neutral
W-L		 Conf
W-L		 Rank RPI Prestige Notes
59 mattchewlund 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-0   0 -  
58 mattchewlund 18-12 6-4 10-6 2-2 6-10   35 B+ NT At-large Bid
NT (1st Round)
57 mattchewlund 12-16 9-9 3-6 0-1 4-12   80 B PI (1st Round)
56 mattchewlund 10-19 6-8 4-10 0-1 2-14   65 B PI (2nd Round)
55 mattchewlund 7-20 6-10 1-9 0-1 2-14   186 B  
54 mattchewlund 14-16 7-7 7-8 0-1 3-13   50 B+ PI (3rd Round)
53 mattchewlund 13-15 3-6 10-8 0-1 5-11   64 B PI (1st Round)
52 mattchewlund 7-20 3-8 4-11 0-1 2-14   148 B  
51 mattchewlund 12-16 10-6 2-9 0-1 5-11   86 B+ PI (1st Round)
50 mattchewlund 20-10 10-2 8-6 2-2 10-6   35 B+ NT At-large Bid
NT (2nd Round)
49 mattchewlund 14-13 8-5 6-7 0-1 8-8   106 B  
48 mattchewlund 18-10 12-3 6-5 0-2 10-6   53 B NT At-large Bid
NT (1st Round)
47 mattchewlund 10-17 9-8 1-8 0-1 3-13   198 C+  

The baseline prestige is an A- for UVA.  Now, he has been to the NT 3 times in 12 seasons with only one trip to the 2nd round.  He has made the PIT several times but has not advanced very far.  How does a school go from a B to an A- with 2 PIT trips and 1 NT trip.  I know the ACC is in the top 2 conferences in this world but this seems crazy.  I am not picking on matt...I was just looking around at some prestiges and this stuck out to me.  I know mid-majors are at a disadvantage due to post-season money but it also seems like Big 6 conferences individual team prestige is a little off as well making it even harder for the mid-majors.
7/11/2011 5:07 PM
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There's a team in your own conference that just went 2-25 and didn't drop at all in prestige.  How does THAT happen?  And I'm not here to argue because I agree with you, prestige for the big boys is much too easy to maintain.
7/11/2011 5:47 PM
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There's another team in that conference who has managed a B prestige with 1 NT trip and 2 PIT trips in the last eleven seasons.  It would seem that the obvious answer is that conference prestige is playing too large of a factor.

And before anyone points out my Duke team, no I don't think my performance on the court warrants an A+ prestige.  Have had a lot of draft picks though (10 in the last 9 seasons, only one season in those 9 without a player picked).
7/11/2011 5:56 PM (edited)
kmasonbx
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This thread and the one I made are examples of why prestige needs to be fixed at the highest levels of D1.
7/11/2011 6:47 PM
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emy - As I stated, I wasnt looking at all teams.  I had just looked at a couple and this one stood out.  Your example illustrates my point as well.  I think it would be easier to build a mid-major if prestige were not so easy to maintain.
7/11/2011 7:32 PM
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I think the power of baseline prestige needs to be reworked.           
7/11/2011 8:03 PM
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Here is NC State in Tark: Pretty crazy that these 2 schools have the same prestige for thesole purpose that NC State has a much better baseline prestige than WVU.
58 r7gordon 17-11 9-2 8-7 0-2 7-9   40 A- NT At-large Bid
NT (1st Round)
57 r7gordon 19-10 7-3 11-5 1-2 9-7   18 A- NT At-large Bid
NT (1st Round)
56 r7gordon 10-20 2-8 7-11 1-1 0-16   71 B+ PI (2nd Round)
55 r7gordon 6-21 1-9 5-11 0-1 0-16   138 B+  
54 r7gordon 18-11 7-6 10-3 1-2 9-7   21 A- NT At-large Bid
NT (2nd Round)
53 Sim AI 21-11 12-4 7-6 2-1 7-9   43 B+ PI Champion
52 atempleman 6-21 2-11 4-9 0-1 2-14   150 A-  


58 kmasonbx 19-12 5-5 11-5 3-2 8-8   34 A- NT At-large Bid
NT (1st Round)
57 kmasonbx 21-10 8-2 10-6 3-2 11-5 22 14 A NT At-large Bid
NT (Sweet 16)
56 kmasonbx 19-15 6-7 9-7 4-1 5-11   30 A- PI Champion
55 kmasonbx 18-12 5-4 11-6 2-2 8-8   23 A- NT At-large Bid
NT (2nd Round)
54 kmasonbx 20-9 10-2 9-5 1-2 12-4   14 A- NT At-large Bid
NT (2nd Round)
53 kmasonbx 20-9 7-2 12-5 1-2 9-7 22 18 A- NT At-large Bid
NT (2nd Round)
52 kmasonbx 23-7 10-3 11-2 2-2 12-4 19 21 A- NT At-large Bid
NT (2nd Round)
7/11/2011 9:43 PM
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There are a mind-boggling 18 A+ prestige schools in Tark.  Only 4 A schools, and 12 A- schools.  It's a little out of control.  There's definitely schools in all 3 ranges that don't belong there, but unfortunately the baseline and conference prestiges are too powerful. 
7/11/2011 10:54 PM
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Posted by slicknick777 on 7/11/2011 10:54:00 PM (view original):
There are a mind-boggling 18 A+ prestige schools in Tark.  Only 4 A schools, and 12 A- schools.  It's a little out of control.  There's definitely schools in all 3 ranges that don't belong there, but unfortunately the baseline and conference prestiges are too powerful. 

I've also noticed more draft pick bunching in Tark.  Here are the numbers of draftees for Tark A+ schools over the past 9 seasons:

Washington St - 25
LSU - 24
Georgetown - 21
UCLA - 19
Kentucky - 19
Rutgers - 18
UConn - 13
Arkansas - 13
BC - 13
Georgia Tech - 12
Wake Forest - 12
Missouri - 11
Illinois - 11
Duke - 10
UNC - 8
Kansas - 7
Miami - 5
Michigan State - 4

That is 245 draft picks from those 18 schools over 9 seasons - or 45% of all draftees over those 9 seasons.

7/12/2011 10:00 AM
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I'd love to see the above for Allen.  That's some seriously labor-intensive work, acn! 
7/12/2011 3:56 PM
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Posted by jslotman on 7/12/2011 3:56:00 PM (view original):
I'd love to see the above for Allen.  That's some seriously labor-intensive work, acn! 
Sure, 16 A+ teams in Allen, draftees over the past 10 seasons:

Stanford:  18
Arizona:  10
Clemson:  15
UNC:  19
Maryland:  16
Kansas:  18
Virginia:  19
Michigan St:  11
Texas:  21
Texas A&M:  12
BC:  12
Duke:  16
Illinois:  16
Northwestern:  17
Oregon:  12
UCLA:  18

So 250 out of 600, 41.7% from those schools. 
7/13/2011 9:03 AM
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Great stuff.  Fascinating how schools like Kansas and UNC just reload after EE's (much like the real world), though I suppose that's true with any high prestige school in HD. 
7/13/2011 9:27 AM
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Posted by acn24 on 7/12/2011 10:00:00 AM (view original):
Posted by slicknick777 on 7/11/2011 10:54:00 PM (view original):
There are a mind-boggling 18 A+ prestige schools in Tark.  Only 4 A schools, and 12 A- schools.  It's a little out of control.  There's definitely schools in all 3 ranges that don't belong there, but unfortunately the baseline and conference prestiges are too powerful. 

I've also noticed more draft pick bunching in Tark.  Here are the numbers of draftees for Tark A+ schools over the past 9 seasons:

Washington St - 25
LSU - 24
Georgetown - 21
UCLA - 19
Kentucky - 19
Rutgers - 18
UConn - 13
Arkansas - 13
BC - 13
Georgia Tech - 12
Wake Forest - 12
Missouri - 11
Illinois - 11
Duke - 10
UNC - 8
Kansas - 7
Miami - 5
Michigan State - 4

That is 245 draft picks from those 18 schools over 9 seasons - or 45% of all draftees over those 9 seasons.

How does one stay at A+ with only four or five draft picks in nine seasons?  That almost seems counterintuitive.  I meant to ask that question earlier. 
7/13/2011 12:56 PM
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Going back to the initial team this was posted about, why the hell does UVA have an A- baseline?
7/13/2011 3:03 PM
kmasonbx
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Posted by jslotman on 7/13/2011 12:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by acn24 on 7/12/2011 10:00:00 AM (view original):
Posted by slicknick777 on 7/11/2011 10:54:00 PM (view original):
There are a mind-boggling 18 A+ prestige schools in Tark.  Only 4 A schools, and 12 A- schools.  It's a little out of control.  There's definitely schools in all 3 ranges that don't belong there, but unfortunately the baseline and conference prestiges are too powerful. 

I've also noticed more draft pick bunching in Tark.  Here are the numbers of draftees for Tark A+ schools over the past 9 seasons:

Washington St - 25
LSU - 24
Georgetown - 21
UCLA - 19
Kentucky - 19
Rutgers - 18
UConn - 13
Arkansas - 13
BC - 13
Georgia Tech - 12
Wake Forest - 12
Missouri - 11
Illinois - 11
Duke - 10
UNC - 8
Kansas - 7
Miami - 5
Michigan State - 4

That is 245 draft picks from those 18 schools over 9 seasons - or 45% of all draftees over those 9 seasons.

How does one stay at A+ with only four or five draft picks in nine seasons?  That almost seems counterintuitive.  I meant to ask that question earlier. 
Baseline prestige of A+ helps so you don't need a ton of success to maintain it. I'm pretty sure with a baseline prestige of A+ you can average a 2nd round NT appearance with 20 wins and a 25ish RPI and would never drop below A+.
7/13/2011 3:06 PM
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