Rule V Leg #33 Draft Thread Topic

Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender, and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 31st, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-2010) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first).  Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data.  Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
NEW THIS LEG - No AAA


No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and 2010
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season.

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King
7/18/2011 2:44 PM
Here are the franchise winning percentages in the Rule V theme, compiled by schwarze, that we'll be using for draft order in the player draft:

Franchises already selected highlighted in red.

I've removed a team's best and worst season form the above table... and I've sorted from lowest winning % to highest.
 

Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining% Prev
1 Rays 2 134 190 0.4136 1
2 D'backs 5 346 464 0.4272 2
3 Tigers 5 362 448 0.4469 3
4 Pirates 8 599 697 0.4622 4
5 Blue Jays 10 755 866 0.4658 5
6 Twins 14 1072 1197 0.4725 6
7 Rockies 6 462 510 0.4753 7
8 Padres 12 935 1009 0.4810 9
9 White Sox 4 317 331 0.4892 8
10 Angels 7 556 578 0.4903 10
11 Red Sox 14 1114 1155 0.4910 13
12 Brewers 14 1128 1142 0.4969 14
13 Phillies 14 1137 1134 0.5007 12
14 Rangers 9 731 728 0.5010 18
15 Giants 13 1058 1049 0.5021 11
16 Braves 14 1148 1120 0.5062 17
17 Mariners 14 1153 1116 0.5082 16
18 Orioles 8 660 637 0.5089 20
19 Expos 14 1156 1115 0.5090 15
20 Mets 13 1073 1034 0.5093 21
21 Indians 14 1157 1112 0.5099 22
22 Cardinals 14 1163 1106 0.5126 19
23 Cubs 11 914 868 0.5129 23
24 Marlins 10 847 775 0.5222 25
25 Royals 14 1186 1083 0.5227 26
26 Yankees 12 1019 925 0.5242 24
27 Dodgers 13 1127 980 0.5349 27
28 Reds 8 697 599 0.5378 28
29 A's 14 1225 1044 0.5399 29
30 Astros 14 1245 1024 0.5487 30

 

7/20/2011 7:04 PM (edited)
Here is the order for this season's franchise draft:

# playoff team last leg
& WS Runner-Up
@ WS Champ

1. spoonfed - 59-103 0.364
2. jose can u c - 61-101 0.377
3. tridentric - 61-101 0.377
4. mllama54 - 67-95 0.414
5. Robin4 - 70-92 0.432
6. mussopini23 - 72-90 0.444
7. newarkwilder - 72-90 0.444
8. Disco Dogs - 77-85 0.475
9. specsman - 79-83 0.488
10. shaybee - 79-83 0.488
11. ff09 - 79-83 0.488
12. alleyviper - 82-80 0.506\
13. jstewart281 - 85-77 0.525
14. llcoach - 87-75 0.537
15. sinfonian11 - 90-73 0.552
16. marlowe - 90-72 0.556
17. #holleybard - 85-77 0.525
18. #sgsmith - 86-76 0.531
19. #tjefferson - 91-72 0.558
20. #schwarze - 91-71 0.562
21. #thaneoffife - 91-71 0.562
22. #rbow923 - 101-61 0.623
23. &Cheno5 - 87-75 0.537
24. @moneybonn - 103-59 0.636
 
7/18/2011 2:59 PM
Franchise Draft Results (officially starts 7/19 12pm EDT)

1. spoonfed - Arizona Diamondbacks*
2. jose can u c - Houston Astros*
3. tridentric - San Francisco Giants *
4. mllama54 - Minnesota Twins*
5. Robin4 - Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim*
6. mussopini23 - St. Louis Cardinals*
7. newarkwilder - New York Mets*
8. Disco Dogs - Toronto Blue Jays
9. specsman - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals*
10. shaybee - Atlanta Braves*
11. ff09 - Los Angeles Dodgers*
12. alleyviper - Boston Red Sox*
13. jstewart281 - Cincinnati Reds*
14. llcoach - Detroit Tigers *
15. sinfonian11 - Texas Rangers*
16. marlowe - Florida Marlins*
17. holleybard - Pittsburgh Pirates*
18. sgsmith - New York Yankees*
19. tfefferson - Colorado Rockies*
20. schwarze - Philadelphia Phillies*
21. thaneoffife - Cleveland Indians*
22. rbow923 - Oakland Athletics*
23. Cheno5 - Baltimore Orioles*
24. moneybonn - Seattle Mariners*

* Keepers sent for third round

Division Alignment:

Cheno5 - Baltimore Orioles
alleyviper - Boston Red Sox
sgsmith - New York Yankees
Disco Dogs - Toronto Blue Jays

marlowe - Florida Marlins
thaneoffife - Cleveland Indians
coach - Detroit Tigers
mllama54 - Minnesota Twins

Robin4 - Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
rbow923 - Oakland Athletics
moneybonn - Seattle Mariners
sinfonian11 - Texas Rangers

specsman - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals
jschwarze - Philadelphia Phillies
newarkwilder - New York Mets
shaybee - Atlanta Braves

stewart281 - Cincinnati Reds
jose can u c - Houston Astros
holleybard - Pittsburgh Pirates
mussopini23 - St. Louis Cardinals

spoonfed - Arizona Diamondbacks
tfefferson - Colorado Rockies
ff09 - Los Angeles Dodgers
tridentric - San Francisco Giants

Owner list for easy sitemailing: spoonfed; jose can u c; tridentric; mllama54; Robin4; mussopini23; newarkwilder; Disco Dogs; specsman; shaybee; ff09; alleyviper; jstewart281; llcoach; sinfonian11; marlowe; holleybard; sgsmith; tjefferson; schwarze; thaneoffife; rbow923; Cheno5; moneybonn
7/27/2011 1:49 PM (edited)
Round One (officially starts noon EDT 7/22)                                                   Off the Board

1. spoonfed - Diamondbacks: Bill Singer - LAD
2. llcoach - Tigers: Kevin Brown - LAD                                                            Los Angeles Dodgers
3. holleybard - Pirates: Willie McCovey - SFG
4. Disco Dogs - Blue Jays: George Foster - CIN
5. mllama54 - Twins: Jim Palmer - BAL
6. tjefferson - Rockies: Roger Clemens - HOU
7. Robin4 - Angels: Ted Simmons - STL
8. alleyviper - Red Sox: John Olerud - TOR
9. schwarze - Phillies: Lance Berkman - HOU                                              Houston Astros
10. sinfonian11 - Rangers: Pedro Martinez - NYM
11. tridentric - Giants: Fred Lynn - BOS
12. shaybee - Braves: Kevin Mitchell - SFG                                                    San Francisco Giants
13. moneybonn - Mariners: Willie McGee - STL                                            St. Louis Cardinals
14. Cheno5 - Orioles: Catfish Hunter - NYY
15. specsman - Expos/Nationals: Mark Texeira - ATL
16. newarkwilder - Mets: Chase Utley - PHI
17. thaneoffife - Indians: Carlos Delgado - TOR                                            Toronto Blue Jays
18. mussopini23 - Cardinals: Robinson Cano - NYY                                    New York Yankees
19. marlowe - Marlins: Phil Niekro - ATL                                                         Atlanta Braves
20. sgsmith - Yankees: Mike Norris - OAK
21. ff09 - Dodgers: Rico Petrocelli - BOS                                                        Boston Red Sox
22. jstewart281 - CC Sabathia - CLE
23. rbow923 - Athletics: Roberto Alomar - BAL                                             Baltimore Orioles
24. jose can u c - Astros: Darren Daulton - PHI                                             Philadelphia Phillies

Second Round    (officially starts Tuesday 7/26 9am EDT)                           Off the Board

1. spoonfed - Diamondbacks: Darin Erstad - LAA
2. llcoach - Tigers: Ichiro Suzuki - SEA
3. holleybard - Pirates: Tim Hudson - OAK
4. Disco Dogs - Blue Jays: Carlton Fisk - BOS
5. mllama54 - Twins: Eric Gagne - LAD
6. tjefferson - Rockies: Larry Dierker - HOU
7. Robin4 - Angels: Cliff Lee - SEA                                                                        Seattle Mariners
8. alleyviper - Red Sox: Rickey Henderson - NYY
9. schwarze - Phillies: Jerry Koosman - NYM
10. sinfonian11 - Rangers: Bobby Murcer - NYY                                                New York Yankees
11. tridentric - Giants: Ivan Rodriguez - DET
12. shaybee - Braves: Howard Johnson - NYM                                                  New York Mets
13. moneybonn - Mariners: Pedro Guerrero - LAD                                            Los Angeles Dodgers
14. Cheno5 - Orioles: Jimmy Key - TOR
15. specsman - Scott Rolen - STL
16. newarkwilder - Mets: Lenny Dykstra - PHI
17. thaneoffife - Fergie Jenkins - TEX
18. mussopini23 - Gary Sheffield - ATL
19. marlowe - Marlins: Danny Jackson - CIN
20. sgsmith - Jim Edmonds - STL                                                                        St. Louis Cardinals
21. ff09 - Dodgers: JD Drew - ATL                                                                         Atlanta Braves
22. jstewart281 - Adrian Beltre - BOS                                                                  Boston Red Sox
23. rbow923 - Athletics: Victor Martinez - CLE
24. jose can u c - Astros: Kevin Mitchell - CIN                                                     Cincinnati Reds

Third Round     (Officially starts Friday 7/29 at 9am EDT)                                  Off the Board

1. spoonfed - Diamondbacks: Bert Blyleven - MIN
2. llcoach - Tigers: Mariano Rivera - NYY
3. holleybard - Pirates: Adam Wainwright - STL
4. Disco Dogs - Blue Jays: Randy Johnson - HOU
5. mllama54 - Twins: Scott Rolen - PHI
6. tjefferson - Rockies: Jerry Reuss - LAD
7. Robin4 - Angels: Jimmy Wynn - HOU                                                               Houston Astros
8. alleyviper - Red Sox: Hideo Nomo - LAD                                                           Los Angeles Dodgers
9. schwarze - Phillies: Tim Burke - MON
10. sinfonian11 - Rangers: Andrew Bailey - OAK
11. tridentric - Giants: Joey Votto - CIN
12. shaybee - Braves: Willie Stargell - PIT
13. moneybonn - Mariners: Andre Dawson - MON                                             Montreal Expos
14. Cheno5 - Orioles: Don Mattingly - NYY                                                           New York Yankees
15. specsman - John Valentin - BOS
16. newarkwilder - Mets: Mark Eichhorn - TOR
17. thaneoffife - Indians: Manny Sanguillen - PIT                                                Pittsburgh Pirates
18. mussopini23 - Cardinals: Dale Murphy - ATL
19. marlowe - Marlins: Grady Sizemore - CLE
20. sgsmith - Yankees: Edgardo Alfonso - NYM
21. ff09 - Dodgers: Will Clark - SFG
22. jstewart281 - Reds: Mark McGwire - OAK                                                     Oakland Athletics
23. rbow923 - Rico Carty - ATL                                                                                Atlanta Braves
24. jose can u c - Astros: Carlos Guillen - DET
7/31/2011 10:11 PM (edited)
Keepers/Draft Picks

spoonfed - Arizona Diamondbacks: Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Luis Gonzalez, Matt Williams, Tony Batista, Bill Singer - LAD, Brandon Webb, Darin Erstad - LAA, Orlando Hudson, Bert Blyleven - MIN

llcoach - Detroit Tigers: Alan Trammell, Magglio Ordonez, Tony Phillips, Miguel Cabrera, Willie Hernandez, Kevin Brown - LAD, Denny McClain, Ichiro Suzuki - SEA, Curtis Granderson, Mariano Rivera - NYY

holleybard - Pittsburgh Pirates: Barry Bonds, Brian Giles, Jay Bell, Jason Kendall, Rick Reuschel, Willie McCovey - SFG, Jim Rooker, Tim Hudson - OAK, Freddie Sanchez, Adam Wainwright - STL

Disco Dogs - Toronto Blue Jays: Roy Halladay, Dave Stieb, Roger Clemens, Roberto Alomar, Jose Bautista, George Foster - CIN, Tony Fernandez, Carlton Fisk - BOS, Duane Ward, Randy Johnson - HOU

mllama54 - Minnesota Twins: Joe Mauer, Kirby Puckett, Rod Carew, Chuck Knoblauch, Johan Santana, Jim Palmer - BAL, Joe Nathan, Eric Gagne - LAD, Lyman Bostock, Scott Rolen - PHI

tjefferson - Colorado Rockies: Troy Tulowitski, Todd Helton, Larry Walker, Ellis Burks, Ubaldo Jimenez, Roger Clemens - HOU, Vinny Castilla, Larry Dierker - HOU, Matt Holliday, Jerry Reuss - LAD

Robin4 - Los Angeles Angels: Bobby Grich, Tim Salmon, Andy Messersmith, Mike Witt, Frank Tanana, Ted Simmons - STL, Troy Percival, Cliff Lee - SEA, Vladimir Guerrero, Jimmy Wynn - HOU

alleyviper - Boston Red Sox: Wade Boggs, Carl Yastrzemski, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Derek Lowe, John Olerud - TOR, Nomar Garciaparra, Rickey Henderson - NYY, Manny Ramirez, Hideo Nomo - LAD

schwarze - Philadelphia Phillies: Steve Carlton, Curt Schilling, Mike Schmidt, Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins, Lance Berkman - HOU, Bobby Abreu, Jerry Koosman - NYM, Mike Lieberthal, Tim Burke - MON

sinfonian11 - Texas Rangers: Alex Rodriguez, Ivan Rodriguez, Josh Hamilton, Cliff Lee, Nolan Ryan, Pedro Martinez - NYM, Buddy Bell, Bobby Murcer - NYY, Bert Blyleven, Andrew Bailey - OAK

tridentric - San Francisco Giants: Jeff Kent, Barry Bonds, Tim Lincecum, Juan Marichal, Jason Schmidt, Fred Lynn - BOS, Rich Aurillia, Ivan Rodriguez - DET, Pablo Sandoval, Joey Votto - CIN

shaybee - Atlanta Braves: Javy Lopez, Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Kevin Mitchell - SFG, Kevin Millwood, Howard Johnson - NYM, Marcus Giles, Willie Stargell - PIT

moneybonn - Seattle Mariners: Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Edgar Martinez, Felix Hernandez, Randy Johnson, Willie McGee - STL, Bret Boone, Pedro Guerrero - LAD , Freddy Garcia, Andre Dawson - MON/WSH

Cheno5 - Baltimore Orioles: Chris Hoiles, Cal Ripken, Jr., Ken Singleton, Mike Mussina, Mike Cuellar, Catfish Hunter - NYY, Bobby Grich, Jimmy Key - TOR, Brady Anderson, Don Mattingly - NYY

specsman - Montreal Expos/ Washington Nationals: Gary Carter, Tim Raines, Vladimir Guerrero, Pedro Martinez, Dennis Martinez, Mark Texeira - ATL, Steve Rogers, Scott Rolen - STL, Pascual Perez, John Valentin - BOS

newarkwilder - New York Mets: Mike Piazza, Carlos Beltran, David Wright, Dwight Gooden, Tom Seaver, Chase Utley - PHI, John Olerud, Lenny Dykstra - PHI, Jose Reyes, Mark Eichhorn - TOR

thaneoffife - Cleveland Indians: Kenny Lofton, Albert Belle, Manny Ramirez, Roberto Alomar, Gaylord Perry, Carlos Delgado - TOR, Sam McDowell, Fergie Jenkins - TEX, Jim Thome, Manny Sanguillen - PIT

mussopini23 - St. Louis Cardinals: Albert Pujols, Mark McGwire, Joe Torre, John Tudor, Bob Gibson, Robinson Cano - NYY, Chris Carpenter, Gary Sheffield - ATL, Ozzie Smith, Dale Murphy - ATL

marlowe - Florida Marlins: Kevin Brown, Gary Sheffield, Hanley Ramirez, Miguel Cabrera, Mike Piazza, Phil Niekro - ATL, Juan Pierre, Danny Jackson - CIN, Armando BenitezGrady Sizemore - CLE

sgsmith - New York Yankees: Ron Guidry, Fritz Peterson, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, Paul O'Neill, Mike Norris - OAK, Dave Righetti, Jim Edmonds - STL, Bernie Williams, Edgardo Alfonso - NYM

ff09 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Mike Piazza, Steve Sax, Adrian Beltre, Fernando Valenzuela, Don Sutton, Rico Petrocelli - BOS, Orel Hershiser, JD Drew - ATL, Manny Ramirez, Will Clark - SFG

jstewart281 - Cincinnati Reds: HWMNBN, Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Eric Davis, Tom Seaver, CC Sabathia - CLE, Barry Larkin, Adrian Beltre - BOS, Ken Griffey, Jr., Mark McGwire - OAK

rbow923 - Oakland Athletics: Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Dennis Eckersley, Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Roberto Alomar - BAL, Reggie Jackson, Victor Martinez - CLE, Miguel Tejada, Rico Carty - ATL

jose can u c - Astros: Mike Scott, J.R. Richard, Don Wilson, Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, Darren Daulton - PHI, TSMOPOAT, Kevin Mitchell - CIN, Billy Wagner, Carlos Guillen - DET

7/31/2011 10:12 PM (edited)
Is this thing on?
7/19/2011 10:11 AM
Sorry Boys, just got the sitemail... I am in with the Arizona Diamondbacks
7/19/2011 10:45 AM
excellent to see most of our owners returning, & away we go!!
7/19/2011 10:47 AM
No worries, spoonfed.  Thanks for getting your pick in, and we're underway!
7/19/2011 10:47 AM
Posted by mussopini23 on 7/19/2011 10:47:00 AM (view original):
excellent to see most of our owners returning, & away we go!!
That would be ALL of our owners returning, which I think is a first.  Off and running!
7/19/2011 10:49 AM
Vegas sets the line for AZ wins for leg 33 at 41.
7/19/2011 10:53 AM
We'll take the Astros. 
7/19/2011 10:55 AM
Posted by jose can u c on 7/19/2011 10:53:00 AM (view original):
Vegas sets the line for AZ wins for leg 33 at 41.
Ouch...we won 59 last year...no respect....no respect...
7/19/2011 11:06 AM
I'll try the Minnesota Twins.
7/19/2011 1:40 PM
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