Posted by slymonium on 7/26/2011 11:13:00 PM (view original):
I think we got your point when you posted this in the other forum where it belongs- when you were also talking about how great of a defensive player Laimbeer was.

Posted by felonius on 7/27/2011 5:41:00 AM (view original):
also the 'won all those championships' bit is a tad overstated - you know what with the 7 or 8 other hall of famers he played with over the years, and arguably the greatest GM/Coach ever leading the way he was hardly a one man gang

Posted by snydpie on 7/27/2011 5:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by felonius on 7/27/2011 5:41:00 AM (view original):
also the 'won all those championships' bit is a tad overstated - you know what with the 7 or 8 other hall of famers he played with over the years, and arguably the greatest GM/Coach ever leading the way he was hardly a one man gang

So because he played with great players he shouldn't get his due for being the greatest defensive player ever? That makes alot of sense! I guess we should lower Shaq's defensive rating 20 or more points also since he played with Kobe. Did they lower Havlicek's defensive rating also since he played on such a great team or does he get a free pass? What is the logic behind this that's all I want answered not ignorant comments.

By the way, I am not a Celtics fan I just want to know who decides the #'s cuz some are way off along with positions of quite a few players. Johnny Morton was a PG/SG and is listed a SF. He was 6-3 at best and never played SF ever. Derrick Gervin was a SG but is listed at PF and he never played PF ever. These are just a few of many flaws that need to be fixed but instead the decision was to make changes that insult players like Russell with ignorant defensive rankings. That may not bother you but It does bother me! 

Posted by slymonium on 7/27/2011 10:42:00 PM (view original):
Should I bold the part where you say "Laimbeer was an excellent defender throughout his career..."?

Posted by felonius on 7/28/2011 8:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by snydpie on 7/27/2011 5:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by felonius on 7/27/2011 5:41:00 AM (view original):
also the 'won all those championships' bit is a tad overstated - you know what with the 7 or 8 other hall of famers he played with over the years, and arguably the greatest GM/Coach ever leading the way he was hardly a one man gang

So because he played with great players he shouldn't get his due for being the greatest defensive player ever? That makes alot of sense! I guess we should lower Shaq's defensive rating 20 or more points also since he played with Kobe. Did they lower Havlicek's defensive rating also since he played on such a great team or does he get a free pass? What is the logic behind this that's all I want answered not ignorant comments.

By the way, I am not a Celtics fan I just want to know who decides the #'s cuz some are way off along with positions of quite a few players. Johnny Morton was a PG/SG and is listed a SF. He was 6-3 at best and never played SF ever. Derrick Gervin was a SG but is listed at PF and he never played PF ever. These are just a few of many flaws that need to be fixed but instead the decision was to make changes that insult players like Russell with ignorant defensive rankings. That may not bother you but It does bother me! 

dont be dumb - no one said anything about not giving him his due as a defensive player

what grinds my gears is that so often he gets ALL the credit for those titles - oh what a great leader! (on a team with several future hall of fame coaches and Red Auerbach on it), oh what  a great player! (when he always had tons of help and as a matter of fact was essentially a one way player) etc

as for ignorant comments? you seem to be the one who doesnt get it - there are plenty of threads that explain how this travesty happened (and yes it is a travesty and I have been vocal about it in the past (the distant past as another points out this is ooold news)) - I suspect there's even boiler plate in the FAQ - what do you want to know?

they screwed him on blocks (by under guesstimating his totals which are fudged numbers btw) they then screwed him on his rating not in small part because it is based at least a little on those self same blocks (which they fudged) and then they effectively decided that no player pre 1968 can have a 90 rating simply because there were no all nba defense teams prior to that

they are idiots and they dont care - is that what you want to hear? ok

He was a great defensive player, rebounder, and could also pass very well along with being a solid scorer. That doesnt add up to a one way player! Wilt has 80+ ratings.