I Have coached Hawaii Pacific for the past 13 seasons and have had a good deal of success with the team, lat two years elite 8..ranked etc.   My son was in a accident on the day coaches had until midnight to renew the license. I was in the emergency room till sat am when they finally got him into surgery. He is actually still in the hospital and i am writing this at his bedside  He has many complications and they are still treating him with everything they can think of.  Needless to say i didnt renew in time, however i did renew before the new coaches could apply and before the first review of resumes.  I wrote a few tickets and the cookie cutter response was the system is treating me as a new coach and i might get the job back. I was able to get the job back because of my resume, however they dropped the prestige of my school from A+ to A after it took me 11 years to get it to A+ and customer support refuses to respond other than the generic... the system is treating you as a new coach...wtf...i am the same coach and they refuse to discuss or give me a valid reason.  Also they have my job description at meeting expectations which was another hit....It is very frustrating when they refuse to have a open mind and fix it.They flat at refuse to do it. The fact is that it is a simple fix that any first year programmer can fix...yet the arrogance and lack of compassion has compeled me to write this.  i continue to play because i enjoy playing the other coaches and the game itself..We all know that the game has many faults..when i first started playing i was constantly giving cs suggestions and issues that needed to be addressed and never had any responses addressing the specefic suggestions....The sad fact is they really do not care about the people that play and continue to play for without us the game would be alot worst.  I want to thank all the fellow coaches who continue to play and have sent me kind notes regarding the health of my son...GL this year to all....
addyyy

my advice would be not to sweat the gap between A+ and A...or meeting v exceeding expectations.  You screwed up by leaving renewal to the very last day.  What if the power went out......or something else trivial.....and now you have an important issue with your son.

Our prayers are with you, your son and your family.  Dont let your worries about him make you fret about HD.  In less serious, but parallel situations, I have at times got ****** about this or that in HD - and then I realized that I should just enjoy the game as an escape from whatever life throws my way - sometimes bad, sometimes good.

Wishing your son a full recovery - and wishing you fun in HD.  It is fun and escape and when I have used it that way it has helped me in the small hours of the morning when bad stuff was going on for me.

We will keep you in our prayers.  Good luck - except of course if our teams meet in the Dance!



 

Sorry to hear about your son addyyy.  Hope he makes a full recovery and everything works out for him and for you and for your family.  Stay strong.

Thats terrible new about your son and I hope he is better but don't take it out on WIS.  You have all season to renew your coaching status.    You've been there for 13 season so it's not like you didn't know this or didn't know you had to renew.     It's your own fault for waiting until the last day to renew and leaving it up to a freak accident to derail your plans. 

I've seen this same situation posted on WIS several times.   Long standing coaches who forgot to renew.    Well you know... everyone needs to take responsibility for their own actions (inactions) and follow the clear rules that WIS sets up.    They even sent out a reminder email for those coaches who have forgotten.  Stop blaming others for your own mistakes.

 

You guys have to realize that many coaches wait until after the NT to renew because they can then use their NT credit $ towards their next payment. 

I'm assuming that's what addyyy did and he doesn't need any more aggravation right now. WIS is so lazy and just downright terrible at conducting business. They can at least make up for that by helping their customers out in situations like these. 

Exactly.....................car crazy      the only point i was trying to make is that they are treating me as a new coach and i am not...quite simple and the fix would take about 5 seconds.....taking responsibility and following the rules is great but when stuff happens real managers and management actually do the right thing   i was a vice president of operations for dreyfus and mellon bank for 16 years and i think i know how a successful business operates....i was also system analyst prior to that...all i was asking was to get the system not to treat me as a new coach it sounds like the two posts above were the two people i beat out to get my job back...lol...thanks car and emy ...mully sounds like he had a rough night...

Yeah thats right.  Anyone who doesnt agree with your stance must have had a rough night. 

Sorry, I'm with mully.  If you cut it that close you're counting on nothing going on with the internet or coming up to take up your time during your limited window.  That's your poor decision.  I don't see why WIS should make special exceptions for you when they don't for natural disasters or widespread power outages, etc.  It's not about how much work it is.  It's about setting the line in the sand and saying it's not going to move.  What if somebody else had gotten the job.  If they admit that for special circumstances they can make exceptions, it's not a big leap for somebody else to start complaining because WIS won't give their team back.  But doing so would screw over the new coach who got the job.  There's a reason they have a policy, and the best business is to stick to expressly stated policies regardless of what you think.

addyyy, this exact same thing happened to me this past offseason (minus the drama in RL that made you miss your renewal-- best wishes on that front).

I forgot to renew, then ended up getting the job back at B+ instead of A- prestige. I think it's a pretty minor, and essentially fair penalty-- it's really not that big a difference in recruiting reality... As for meeting expectations vs exceeding them, that makes absolutely no difference at all in d2 or d3, since you cannot be fired. Ignore it.

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/1/2011 8:30:00 PM (view original):
Sorry, I'm with mully.  If you cut it that close you're counting on nothing going on with the internet or coming up to take up your time during your limited window.  That's your poor decision.  I don't see why WIS should make special exceptions for you when they don't for natural disasters or widespread power outages, etc.  It's not about how much work it is.  It's about setting the line in the sand and saying it's not going to move.  What if somebody else had gotten the job.  If they admit that for special circumstances they can make exceptions, it's not a big leap for somebody else to start complaining because WIS won't give their team back.  But doing so would screw over the new coach who got the job.  There's a reason they have a policy, and the best business is to stick to expressly stated policies regardless of what you think.

I agree with all that you said Dahs, but WIS has already made special exceptions in the past for individuals.  They set their own precedent.  The one exception that provoked the most outrage was when they set recruiting back a day because it started on a religious holiday and that person's religious beliefs did not allow him to use electronics on that day.  Yep, they pushed back recruiting for ONE person's religious beliefs.  In essence, they HAVE admitted that they'll make exceptions for special circumstances.  How's that for drawing a line in the sand and sticking to it?

Like I said, I agree with everything you wrote, but WIS opened this can of worms long ago. 

Posted by emy1013 on 10/2/2011 3:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/1/2011 8:30:00 PM (view original):
Sorry, I'm with mully.  If you cut it that close you're counting on nothing going on with the internet or coming up to take up your time during your limited window.  That's your poor decision.  I don't see why WIS should make special exceptions for you when they don't for natural disasters or widespread power outages, etc.  It's not about how much work it is.  It's about setting the line in the sand and saying it's not going to move.  What if somebody else had gotten the job.  If they admit that for special circumstances they can make exceptions, it's not a big leap for somebody else to start complaining because WIS won't give their team back.  But doing so would screw over the new coach who got the job.  There's a reason they have a policy, and the best business is to stick to expressly stated policies regardless of what you think.

I agree with all that you said Dahs, but WIS has already made special exceptions in the past for individuals.  They set their own precedent.  The one exception that provoked the most outrage was when they set recruiting back a day because it started on a religious holiday and that person's religious beliefs did not allow him to use electronics on that day.  Yep, they pushed back recruiting for ONE person's religious beliefs.  In essence, they HAVE admitted that they'll make exceptions for special circumstances.  How's that for drawing a line in the sand and sticking to it?

Like I said, I agree with everything you wrote, but WIS opened this can of worms long ago. 

emy, I think you know that "line in the sand" was drawn as a result of the whole changing recruiting for one dude fiasco, and AFAIK they have since been rather steadfast regarding their position...

I empathize with OP, but I do not believe his job status or prestige should be changed. He is, in effect, a "new" coach. The old coach (him) left and the job was put to open bid. He got it back as the most qualified candidate, but it is technically a "new regime."  

To OP, I doubt you'll suffer at A and Meeting Expectations for very long given your history. Hope and pray your boy is ok. Best of luck.

Thanks everyone for your concern regarding my child    we are still in hospital and cat scan, mri and ultra sound have revealed nothing and they cant figure out where the high fever is coming from it is 12 days tmrw.  i have coached basketball as well as baseball for the past 27 years and his greatest asset was his speed...now with the pin in his leg it is hard to take. ..On the wis side i can tell you that there is a obvious difference in recruiting as i am in the middle  of recruiting and wasnt able to sign any of my top prospects which i was usually able to do consistently..so there is a difference...the hard line stance that some of you endorse is not the way to run a business unless it is computerized and based on the responses from cs i tend to believe it is....I wish everyone in KNight a great season and for those of you who really dont know me it wasnt about the rules and drawing a line in the sand nonsense it is acually ablut trying to make the game more life like because the reality is i am the same coach..peace to all and best wishes to everyone as well..i have no hard feelings towards anyone and just want the game to improve...addyyy

Honestly, I think WIS should fix it and make it right. It's simple and easy, and imho the right thing to do. They fixed many things (plenty bigger than this) for people in the past.

A couple of weeks back i went on the site to do some game planning and the site was down and they had a general statement that they used a week prior when they pushed everything back by 2 days for general site maintenance....it was a good thing i had set my game plan early in the morning but i did see some posts regarding the statement.  They led people to believe the system would be down for 2 days when in actuality from the posts i read came back up a few hours later.the people that actually believed the statement were screwed..what did wis do about that?    just a random example of the way they do business...

Posted by addyyy on 10/2/2011 10:32:00 PM (view original):
A couple of weeks back i went on the site to do some game planning and the site was down and they had a general statement that they used a week prior when they pushed everything back by 2 days for general site maintenance....it was a good thing i had set my game plan early in the morning but i did see some posts regarding the statement.  They led people to believe the system would be down for 2 days when in actuality from the posts i read came back up a few hours later.the people that actually believed the statement were screwed..what did wis do about that?    just a random example of the way they do business...

to be fair, that was a WIS screwup - and they should have tried hard to fix it

the situation you describe is different - I would like them to accomodate long standing participants who screw up - as I have screwed up from time to time - but I also understand the concerns that someone who runs a game has to balance

you have an okay argument for an accomodation - but they have an okay argument for a contrary policy - their screwup when they posted for some period the obsolete two-day notice was very different