Anyone have any ideas?  My goal is to see what it takes to build one and how far behind I am.  Been to a couple of final fours in press-happy Wooden, just can't seem to get over the hump.  I'd be curious to know if I'm recruiting the wrong attributes or just not good enough players.  Best way to do that, I suppose, is compare myself to the best.  

Thanks!

Check out Naismith Gallaudet: http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=2060

Thanks wronoj.  That's the best we've got people?  No offense to dedelman, but that team isn't significantly better than mine.  No doubt better, but not by that much.  I'm looking for a consistently elite team.  A team that would blow mine out every time.  I keep hearing that man and press are equal at D3, but I'm finding mostly elite press teams (not trying to stir up that debate, I am admittedly only in two worlds).

Coming off a down season for them, but Greensboro in Tark has had a fair bit of success as a DIII man team.

How about these guys:

http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=4747

I'll throw in my old D3 team, from a couple seasons back that went 35-0:

http://whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?TopicID=433939&ThreadID=9437685#l_9437685

The last 2 seasons in Knight the D3 national championship game has been between the same two M2M teams. Don't know if Knight is much weaker than other D3 worlds, however.

OK, I don't know what I was expecting.  Something more, I guess.  Don't get me wrong, those are awesome teams, I just thought there would be a team full of superstars.

So, with that in mind, I seem to have attracted some elite coaches in this thread.  Someone want to take a look and tell me what I can do to get to the next level?

http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=3795

I'm young this season, so some of the speed simply hasn't developed yet.  Same with rebounding in my bigs.  Allain was a guy who I took a shot on without FSS and he'll probably get cut soon.  I could probably use a true PG. 

Any thoughts?

3 things pop out when I look at your team:

1) Lack of a truly dominant rebounder. I think you need at least 1 90+ rebounder on a non-press team, preferably 2.

2) Team speed sub 50 is a little troubling. 

3) Team stamina at 76. To take out press team, I love to run uptempo and fatigue them out, leading to fouls and stuff. 76 team stamina makes uptempo difficult. 

The team is young, maybe by NT of next year, things will be different. It's still a nice team, just not in the same league with Beloit and stuff. 

So that leads me to some questions. 

First, I think you're right about rebounding.  Both Fields and Leone will end up 95+ there.

Second, totally agree about the speed.  Still have some room for growth there, but not enough to be an elite speed team.  The question is, though, can I get away with five or six guards at 70-75 speed, or do I need a couple at 80-100.  What if it's something like 60 ath/70 spd?  What about speed in bigs?  Helpful, of course, but Is necessary that I have 30+ speed in bigs?

Third, I thought man teams could get away with lower staminas.  Obviously more stamina helps, but I didn't think that was as big of a focus.  Do I just need more stamina than I have, or do I actually need to match the press teams'?

Thanks.

Posted by ike1024 on 10/13/2011 1:02:00 PM (view original):
So that leads me to some questions. 

First, I think you're right about rebounding.  Both Fields and Leone will end up 95+ there.

Second, totally agree about the speed.  Still have some room for growth there, but not enough to be an elite speed team.  The question is, though, can I get away with five or six guards at 70-75 speed, or do I need a couple at 80-100.  What if it's something like 60 ath/70 spd?  What about speed in bigs?  Helpful, of course, but Is necessary that I have 30+ speed in bigs?

Third, I thought man teams could get away with lower staminas.  Obviously more stamina helps, but I didn't think that was as big of a focus.  Do I just need more stamina than I have, or do I actually need to match the press teams'?

Thanks.

You can get away with 72-74 stamina if you run slowdown, but I don't like the slowdown from 2 reasons.

First, suppose you are facing a team that is worse than you. You should want to speed things up to generate as many possessions as possible to maximize your advantage. Think about it as you facing LBJ in a one on one pick up game. If the game is to 1 (so whoever scores first) you might have a shot of winning. Get the ball first, throw up a prayer shot and hope it goes in. Game to 11, Lebron will take you out every time. Same thing here, against teams that are worse than you, you want to run uptempo so you are not in a 50 combined possession game and lose by 2. 

Second, more stamina always better, especially against the press. Press teams fatigue faster and foul more, and the foul part is especially true when the players are playing tired. If you can run uptempo against  a fcp team and get them to tire down the stretch, you improve your chance of winning by a wide margin. This applies to m2m opponents as well. Team with 82 stamina going against 72 stamina, the 82 will win alot more games assuming everything else is equal. 

Yea, Wooden is flooded with great Press teams. I disagree about the rebounding thing that tianyi said, you're fine on the boards. I would however aim for some better athletes in the frontcourt. I try to go for min 60ath in my bigs at D3. While Cadet is a great athlete and defender I would probably pass on him because he's going to be a turnover machine, and against the press it'll just be worse. I'd definitely look for more speed, in my back to back national title appearances I was top 4 in speed. This season my speed is around where yours is and I don't think I have much of a shot at a title. Everything else looks good for you, IMO. I think as long as your stamina for your starters is good you're fine, your subs stamina isn't really a big deal.

Sure, but my question was more narrow (although I didn't make it clear what the question actually way, so that was my fault).  I thought press teams tired more quickly, thus need more stamina.  For every minute of play, they get more tired.  Hence, (and these numbers arejust for example, not saying they are accurate), an 82-stam press team is kind of the equivalent of a 78-stam man team, just simply because of the energy required to run all over the court trapping people.

Wrong?

Posted by kmasonbx on 10/13/2011 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Yea, Wooden is flooded with great Press teams. I disagree about the rebounding thing that tianyi said, you're fine on the boards. I would however aim for some better athletes in the frontcourt. I try to go for min 60ath in my bigs at D3. While Cadet is a great athlete and defender I would probably pass on him because he's going to be a turnover machine, and against the press it'll just be worse. I'd definitely look for more speed, in my back to back national title appearances I was top 4 in speed. This season my speed is around where yours is and I don't think I have much of a shot at a title. Everything else looks good for you, IMO. I think as long as your stamina for your starters is good you're fine, your subs stamina isn't really a big deal.

Thanks, km.

The reason I picked up Cadet was because he is also high in speed/lp/per.  I figure if he hits his potential, he could be a monster scorer/defender as a backup SF, even if he turns it over some.  And honestly, I signed him for about $200, so I just took a flier to see what he could do.

60 ath?  Yikes.  I haven't seen many of those guys in Wooden.  I'm sure they exist, but with three conferences in the midwest full, I haven't had as many options.  But yeah, I remember when I cared more about bigs' ath, I should go back to that.

What are your thoughts about my speed questions to tianyi?  Even though it's low now, can I get away with 70-75 speed guys, so long as I have a bunch and a few have great ath?  What would you suggest for bigs' speed (or do you suggest I focus mostly on ath)?

FCP tires more quickly, yes. My point is, get your team's stamina higher so you can run uptempo to increase the possessions and help your press opponents to fatigue even faster.

OK, thanks.  I wil focus more on stam.