High cost low walk pitchers,  Joss, Morgan, low whip sub 50 ip relievers.
Too many hitters are switch hitters, (Dilone, Wilson, Zobrist)  Wade Boggs playing 3rd base for 50% of teams.

Can this be fixed by changing the salary formula?  bb/9# = 0 @ 17% increase,  0.5 @ 15% increase,  1.0 @ 13% increase, etc....
Switch hitters, add 20% to their price.
Also, a small increase, say 5% for high SB/100 wih more than 20 sb's would be nice (vince coleman)

What are your ideas?

Switch hitters don't need a price increase. They just need their coding fixed. They're supposed to be neutral, rather than have the 5% advantage or disadvantage righties and lefties do, but apparently they have some kind of advantage.

When the SIM doesn't update for an extended period of time... OL's tend to become very formulaic.  After hundreds of trials and errors, the best values are all known, and everybody is a fool not to use them.  True, some inventive or contrary owners can sometimes do well despite not using cookies... but when the best performance per $ can be got from,say, Addie Joss, the smart money picks Addie Joss.

If the SIM were on the ball, or run well, or run at all, updates and tweeks to the the game would happen with a certain degree of frequency and regularity.  Who knows how many owners have left the site over the last year or so due to becoming bored with the game?  I rarely play OL's any more, as progs and themes still offer some variety... and having been here for some years, I never play an OL if the SIM hasn't been updated in more than 6-8 months.

Apparently, one day "soon", there will be an upgrade to the SIM.  I've been holding my breath for a couple of months now.

I'll enter any league where I don't have to face Addie Joss, Addie Joss, Addie Joss, Miguel, Bip, Carter and all these cookies...
Smart money?
How about, lazy drafting, unimaginative managing...
This is like buying a team, setting auto-draft and auto-manage, I don't get it really...

theme leagues....progressives....there's another world out there....

I am still a newbie without a championsip so I still am interested in playing open leagues. And as boogs says anyone can put in a bunch of Joss, but finding ways to score runs is the fun. 

Ive been playing for a while with out a championship but I still love theme leagues and open leagues... Oh and LIVE leagues, but that is a different beast all together.

Posted by chisox378 on 12/13/2011 1:00:00 PM (view original):
I am still a newbie without a championsip so I still am interested in playing open leagues. And as boogs says anyone can put in a bunch of Joss, but finding ways to score runs is the fun. 

howard johnson at SS, Miguel Dilone, hit him 8th for half the season, them move him to the 2 hole for the 2nd half.
Get lucky on a AAA prospect.

I personally have been trying to build Joss Busting teams, but to no avail so far.

Posted by blackmink18 on 12/13/2011 7:48:00 AM (view original):
High cost low walk pitchers,  Joss, Morgan, low whip sub 50 ip relievers.
Too many hitters are switch hitters, (Dilone, Wilson, Zobrist)  Wade Boggs playing 3rd base for 50% of teams.

Can this be fixed by changing the salary formula?  bb/9# = 0 @ 17% increase,  0.5 @ 15% increase,  1.0 @ 13% increase, etc....
Switch hitters, add 20% to their price.
Also, a small increase, say 5% for high SB/100 wih more than 20 sb's would be nice (vince coleman)

What are your ideas?

The two best cures for OL ennui that I've heard are updates every 3-6 months and imposing a usage tax on cookies (e.g., a 5% price increase for every 100 uses or something like that).  Both approaches would make OL's more interesting.  However, SIM might be reluctant to impose them because both would discourage new owners and would work to the advantage of veteran owners who are the quickest to identify "new" cookies shortly after each update and could stay ahead of the usage taxes as well.  In addition, steps to make OL's more interesting would further discourage new owners by bringing a higher proportion of more successful veteran owners back to OL's.   The predominance of cookies like Addie Joss tends to level the playing field over time.  Done stating the obvious... for now.  

I've suggested before that you should have to pay for stadiums. As it stands now, all parks have equal cost ($0) but some clearly have more value in OLs.

Posted by kneeneighbor on 12/13/2011 1:16:00 PM (view original):
Ive been playing for a while with out a championship but I still love theme leagues and open leagues... Oh and LIVE leagues, but that is a different beast all together.

One thing about this game, and you got it, is that win or lose, its still pretty fun.

Posted by chisox378 on 12/13/2011 5:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kneeneighbor on 12/13/2011 1:16:00 PM (view original):
Ive been playing for a while with out a championship but I still love theme leagues and open leagues... Oh and LIVE leagues, but that is a different beast all together.

One thing about this game, and you got it, is that win or lose, its still pretty fun.

I think it is less fun when 8/10 cy young award people are Addie Joss, Walter Johnson, & Cy Morgan

More frequent updates to the salary structure and sim engine solve most of these issues.  I would not be in favor of market based pricing.

It seems to me the owners of the sim are not stupid. OL's fill very quickly with the same players and pitchers so where is their incentive to change the salary structure for the "cookies"?  Everyone, (I include myself here), uses them in the hope that in any given season they have a better than average chance of winning a championship.  There is of course some experimenting but more often than not you don't get into the playoff's, and that kind of takes the fun out of it. Pretty much all  of the above suggestions would put an end to Joss-atitis, just as it did to Caruthers-atitis.  A simple tweaking of the salary structure could change this predicament over night, but I'm not holding my breath for it. I honestly think that as long as OL's fill with such rapidity, the sim doctors are content to let it run the way it is. Too bad because an update always makes this much more interesting.