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This is something I was never good at.

What is your guys strategy on this? Assuming you get a report of a true stud. Do you open up right away with the maximum amount of money you can offer? Do you make sure to go over 20? Big league? Does your strategy have to do with other teams prospect budgets within your league?
12/22/2011 9:42 AM
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Anyone who answers with a definitive answer on the "best" way is full of it.  It varies from league to league and from season to season.  

I usually set a price that I'll meet early.   I drop out after reaching that point.   But, as the season progresses, I'll take note of who has more prospect money left than me and adjust.   It sucks to get stuck with 15m at season's end. 
12/22/2011 9:45 AM
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to go along with the 'getting stuck with $15 mil at season's end', it is my philosophy (and others too, i'm sure) to go after the first real good intl prospect you see just in case that's the best one you see all season
12/22/2011 9:53 AM
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I normally just throw all of my cash (generally ~20) at him and then move on when I get outbid.

If you think one person will outbid you by a lot, and if you really want to get crafty you can try this: say you have 24M and the other guy has 27.  start off bidding like 20M and then if/when you get outbid wait maybe a day and a half (or maybe two days?  IFA signing schedules are sorta random).  then dump all of the 24M, and if you do it at the right time and the other guy is bidding say 23, he might sign with you before giving the other dude a shot to counter.

this strategy is going to succeed a low % of the time, but it could be worth it if somebody is trying to save a wad of cash and you time it right.

12/22/2011 9:55 AM
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Do you guys think Internationals are worth the money? That scouting budget + the prospect budget could be shrunk and allow you to sign free agents who can contribute now.
12/22/2011 10:06 AM
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Posted by stevehoggett on 12/22/2011 10:06:00 AM (view original):
Do you guys think Internationals are worth the money? That scouting budget + the prospect budget could be shrunk and allow you to sign free agents who can contribute now.
It really depends on the world.

I think if you have 20+ people budgeting 20M, probably not.  If there are 10-14 people with 20M budgets, probably yes.
12/22/2011 10:38 AM
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yeah, this world seems to be more of a payroll world, my last one when i used to play was more of a prospect youth movement world. Gotta go against the flow right, money ball theory
12/22/2011 10:48 AM
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FWIW in Moonlight Graham, I have invested $372 into IFAs in every completed season.  I estimate that the value of the prospects I acquired are ~ $350M.

I'm in the red a little bit, but for the trade flexibility they offer it's definitely worth it.  Of course, this year I'm probably getting hosed since everyone's all in on IFAs and it looks like I could get caught holding my dick.
12/22/2011 10:48 AM
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It's Saturday night already?
12/22/2011 11:02 AM
stevehoggett
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How do you estimate the value? This current league of mine has 12 owners with 20mil. One of which took 2mil away already.

Of thee remaining 11, 3 of them have 12mil or less in Int scouting (12,10,9). So they aren't serious. Noone has 20mil allocated to INT scouting, highest is 18 and majority are 14.

I believe these factors make it beneficial to go after IFAs rather than FAs at this point.

RE: MIKET Saturday night   - nice
12/22/2011 11:03 AM
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IFA and FA aren't one and the same.  One is to win now, one is to win in the future.    It's more beneficial to decide what your goal is for this season and go that route.
12/22/2011 11:05 AM
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Posted by stevehoggett on 12/22/2011 11:04:00 AM (view original):
How do you estimate the value? This current league of mine has 12 owners with 20mil. One of which took 2mil away already.

Of thee remaining 11, 3 of them have 12mil or less in Int scouting (12,10,9). So they aren't serious. Noone has 20mil allocated to INT scouting, highest is 18 and majority are 14.

I believe these factors make it beneficial to go after IFAs rather than FAs at this point.

RE: MIKET Saturday night   - nice
You can be pretty serious with < 12 million dollars in international scouting, if you know how initial demands work.  It's one of the flaws in the current system.
12/22/2011 11:13 AM
stevehoggett
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MikeT, I agree.

I have torn my team apart, this year is a complete rebuild, get all the vet contracts off the books. I don't like to have any long term contracts unless its a stud in his prime. I look at players as assets. I can sign FAs and trade them just like I can IFAs. So to me its a matter of where does that initial investment get me its largest payoff. I can also use cap space to take on other peoples bad contracts as well and making them pay me a nice prospect for doing so...lots of different ways to go about building a team.
12/22/2011 11:14 AM
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Posted by AlCheez on 12/22/2011 11:14:00 AM (view original):
Posted by stevehoggett on 12/22/2011 11:04:00 AM (view original):
How do you estimate the value? This current league of mine has 12 owners with 20mil. One of which took 2mil away already.

Of thee remaining 11, 3 of them have 12mil or less in Int scouting (12,10,9). So they aren't serious. Noone has 20mil allocated to INT scouting, highest is 18 and majority are 14.

I believe these factors make it beneficial to go after IFAs rather than FAs at this point.

RE: MIKET Saturday night   - nice
You can be pretty serious with < 12 million dollars in international scouting, if you know how initial demands work.  It's one of the flaws in the current system.
Assuming you see them.  Problem with low int'l scouting is it limits the pool of players.
12/22/2011 11:22 AM
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Posted by mhulshult on 12/22/2011 11:22:00 AM (view original):
Posted by AlCheez on 12/22/2011 11:14:00 AM (view original):
Posted by stevehoggett on 12/22/2011 11:04:00 AM (view original):
How do you estimate the value? This current league of mine has 12 owners with 20mil. One of which took 2mil away already.

Of thee remaining 11, 3 of them have 12mil or less in Int scouting (12,10,9). So they aren't serious. Noone has 20mil allocated to INT scouting, highest is 18 and majority are 14.

I believe these factors make it beneficial to go after IFAs rather than FAs at this point.

RE: MIKET Saturday night   - nice
You can be pretty serious with < 12 million dollars in international scouting, if you know how initial demands work.  It's one of the flaws in the current system.
Assuming you see them.  Problem with low int'l scouting is it limits the pool of players.
Right, but it's not like you're going to sign more than one big time IFA in a season unless you've got an extra 15-20 million dollars in your prospect budget, so seeing 1-2 as opposed to 4-6 in a season isn't necessarily a big deal.   It's a calculated risk, but you can do pretty well in the IFA market overtime without really spending big on scouting.
12/22/2011 11:25 AM
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