Rule V Leg #37 draft thread Topic

Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender, and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 31st, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-2011) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first).  Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data.  Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA


No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and 2011
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season.  The scumbag finally won his first WS title in Rule V last season, and ran off our prediction king in the process.

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)
6/22/2012 2:23 PM
Updated franchise records courtesy of schwarze, franchises already selected are highlighted in red.

Here is the new franchise rank after the completion of season 36.  The best and worst seasons have been removed.

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Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%   Wining% Rank Diff
1 Rays 3 199 287 0.4095   0.4095 1 0
2 D'backs 7 485 649 0.4277   0.4187 2 0
3 Tigers 8 589 707 0.4545   0.4462 3 0
4 Pirates 10 758 862 0.4679   0.4650 4 0
5 Blue Jays 14 1079 1190 0.4755   0.4708 5 0
6 Rockies 8 617 679 0.4761   0.4761 6 0
7 Twins 18 1397 1520 0.4789   0.4795 7 0
8 Angels 10 783 837 0.4833   0.4833 8 0
9 Padres 15 1179 1251 0.4852   0.4859 9 0
10 Orioles 12 950 995 0.4884   0.4896 11 (1)
11 White Sox 5 396 414 0.4889   0.4892 10 1
12 Brewers 17 1358 1398 0.4927   0.4919 13 (1)
13 Rangers 12 959 986 0.4931   0.4931 14 (1)
14 Red Sox 18 1448 1469 0.4964   0.4962 15 (1)
15 Phillies 18 1453 1466 0.4978   0.4915 12 3
16 Giants 17 1380 1375 0.5009   0.4998 16 0
17 Expos 18 1475 1444 0.5053   0.5049 19 (2)
18 Mariners 18 1475 1442 0.5057   0.5042 17 1
19 Mets 17 1394 1361 0.5060   0.5091 20 (1)
20 Braves 18 1481 1435 0.5079   0.5044 18 2
21 Indians 18 1488 1429 0.5101   0.5118 21 0
22 Marlins 12 998 948 0.5128   0.5128 22 0
23 Cubs 12 1008 936 0.5185   0.5185 23 0
24 Cardinals 18 1528 1389 0.5238   0.5249 25 (1)
25 Royals 16 1362 1231 0.5253   0.5241 24 1
26 Reds 12 1026 918 0.5278   0.5303 26 0
27 Dodgers 16 1381 1212 0.5326   0.5372 28 (1)
28 Yankees 16 1383 1209 0.5336   0.5321 27 1
29 Astros 18 1591 1326 0.5454   0.5535 30 (1)
30 A's 17 1504 1251 0.5459   0.5459 29 1



6/26/2012 12:44 AM (edited)
Here is the order for this season's franchise draft:

* new owner
# playoff team last leg
& WS Runner-Up
@ WS Champ

1. mussopini23 66-96 .407
2. spoonfed 66-96 .407
3. marlowe 74-88 .457
4. jstewart281 75-87 .463
5. alleyviper 76-86 .469
6. mllama54 77-85 .475
7. deathdealer 77-85 .475
8. Robin4 78-84 .481
9. *DoctorKz 78-84 .481
10. newarkwilder 79-83 .488
11. Disco Dogs 80-82 .494
12. *bob_shabazz 81-81 .500
13. sgsmith 81-81 .500
14. shaybee 82-80 .506
15. Cheno5 83-79 .512
16. sinfonian11 86-77 .528
17. #specsman 82-80 .506
18. #holleybard 84-78 .519
19. #tridentric 84-78 .519
20. #ff09 87-76 .534
21. #tjefferson 88-74 .543
22. #llcoach 92-70 .568
23. &moneybonn 90-72 .556
24. @rbow923 99-63 .611

mussopini23; spoonfed; marlowe; jstewart281; alleyviper; mllama54; deathdealer; Robin4; DoctorKz; newarkwilder; Disco Dogs; bob_shabazz; sgsmith; shaybee; Cheno5; sinfonian11; specsman; holleybard; tridentric; ff09; tjefferson; llcoach; moneybonn; rbow923

6/22/2012 2:45 PM (edited)
Franchise Draft Results (timed schedule begins Monday 6/25 10amEDT)

1. mussopini23 - Boston Red Sox*
2. spoonfed - New York Mets*
3. marlowe - Los Angeles Dodgers*
4. jstewart281 - Arizona Diamondbacks*
5. alleyviper St. Louis Cardinals*
6. mllama54 - Detroit Tigers*
7. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays*
8. Robin4 - New York Yankees*
9. DoctorKz - San Francisco Giants*
10. newarkwilder - Montreal Expos*
11. Disco Dogs - Pittsburgh Pirates*
12. bob_shabazz - Texas Rangers*
13. sgsmith - Oakland Athletics*
14. shaybee - Atlanta Braves*
15. Cheno5 - Chicago Cubs*
16. sinfonian11 - Houston Astros*
17. specsman - Philadelphia Phillies*
18. holleybard - Cincinnati Reds*
19. tridentric - Baltimore Orioles*
20. ff09 - Kansas City Royals*
21. tjefferson - Cleveland Indians*
22. llcoach - Milwaukee Brewers*
23. moneybonn - San Diego Padres
24. rbow923 - Seattle Mariners*

*Third round keepers sent


Division Alignment

NL East: New York Mets, Philadelphia Phillies, Atlanta Braves, Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals
NL Central: Chicago Cubs, St. Louis Cardinals, Pittsburgh Pirates, Cincinnati Reds
NL West: Los Angeles Dodgers, San Francisco Giants, San Diego Padres, Houston Astros
AL East: Baltimore Orioles, New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Toronto Blue Jays
AL Central: Detroit Tigers, Milwaukee Brewers, Kansas City Royals, Cleveland Indians
AL West: Seattle Mariners, Oakland Athletics, Texas Rangers, Arizona Diamondbacks

7/3/2012 10:03 AM (edited)
Player Draft 1st Round (timed schedule starts Thursday 6/28 10amEDT)                    Off the Board

1. jstewart281 - Diamondbacks:                                Catfish Hunter - NYY
2. mllama54 - Tigers                                                    Felix Hernandez - SEA
3. Disco Dogs - Pirates:                                              Bob Gibson - STL
4. deathdealer - Blue Jays                                          Kevin Brown - LAD
5. moneybonn - Padres                                               Rico Petrocelli - BOS
6. tridentric - Orioles                                                     Derek Lowe - BOS                            Boston Red Sox
7. llcoach - Brewers 1pm                                             JR Richard - HOU
8. bob_shabazz - Rangers 1:30pm                           Mike Cuellar - BAL
9. mussopini23 - Red Sox 2pm                                  Bill Singer - LAD                               Los Angeles Dodgers
10. specsman - Phillies 2:30pm                                Chris Carpenter - STL                    St. Louis Cardinals
11. DoctorKz - Giants 3pm                                          Ichiro Suzuki - SEA                          Seattle Mariners
12. newarkwilder - Expos/Nationals 3:30pm           Mike Norris - OAK
13. rbow923 - Mariners 4pm                                       Rickey Henderson - NYY                New York Yankees
14. spoonfed - Mets 4:30pm                                       Andruw Jones - ATL
15. shaybee - Braves 5pm                                           Kevin Mitchell - SFG
16. tjefferson - Indians 5:30pm                                   Kevin Millwood - ATL                      Atlanta Braves
17. Cheno5 - Cubs 6pm                                              Jose Rijo - CIN
18. alleyviper - Cardinals 6:30pm                              Pascual Perez - MON
19. ff09 - Royals 7pm                                                    Jim Thome - CLE
20. holleybard - Reds 7:30pm                                    Derrek Lee - CHC
21. marlowe - Dodgers 8pm                                       Rafael Palmeiro - TEX
22. Robin4 - Yankees 8:30pm                                    Zach Greinke - KCR
23. sinfonian11 - Astros 9pm                                      Barry Larkin - CIN                             Cincinnati Reds
24. sgsmith - Athletics 9:30pm                                   Chase Utley - PHI

Round Two (timed schedule starts Monday 7/2)

1. jstewart281 - Diamondbacks                                 John Valentin - BOS
2. mllama54 - Tigers                                                    Adam Wainwright - STL
3. Disco Dogs - Pirates                                                Don Wilson - HOU
4. deathdealer - Blue Jays                                           Fernando Valenzuela - LAD
5. moneybonn - Padres                                               Carl Yastrzemski - BOS                         Boston Red Sox
6. tridentric - Orioles                                                      Hideo Nomo - LAD                                  Los Angeles Dodgers
7. llcoach - Brewers                                                      Paul O'Neill - NYY
8. bob_shabazz - Rangers                                          Jeff Kent - SFG
9. mussopini23 - Red Sox 10am                               Phil Niekro - ATL                                        
10. specsman - Phillies 10:30am                              Billy Williams - CHC
11. DoctorKz - Giants 11am                                        Roberto Alomar - TOR
12. newarkwilder - Expos/Nationals 11:30am         Larry Dierker - HOU                              Houston Astros
13. rbow923 - Mariners 12pm                                    Chris Hoiles - BAL
14. spoonfed - Mets 12:30pm                                     Mario Soto - CIN
15. shaybee - Braves 1pm                                          Derek Jeter - NYY                                   New York Yankees
16. tjefferson - Indians 1:30pm                                  Mark McGwire - OAK
17. Cheno5 - Cubs 2pm                                              Ozzie Smith - STL                                  St. Louis Cardinals
18. alleyviper - Cardinals 2:30pm                              Chris Young - SDP
19. ff09 - Royals 3pm                                                   Brian Giles - PIT
20. holleybard - Reds 3:30pm                                    Gary Sheffield - SDP                              San Diego Padres
21. marlowe - Dodgers 4pm                                       Brian Roberts - BAL                              Baltimore Orioles
22. Robin4 - Yankees 4:30pm                                    Michael Young - TEX
23. sinfonian11 - Astros 5pm                                      Mike Piazza - NYM
24. sgsmith - Athletics 5:30pm                                   Cliff Lee - SEA

Round Three (timed schedule starts Thursday 7/5)

1. jstewart281 - Diamondbacks                                 Gregg Jefferies - STL
2. mllama54 - Tigers                                                    Rick Reuschel - PIT
3. Disco Dogs - Pirates                                               Bret Saberhagen - NYM
4. deathdealer - Blue Jays                                          Jorge Posada - NYY
5. moneybonn - Padres                                               Jason Giambi - NYY                                  New York Yankees
6. tridentric - Orioles                                                    Jonathan Papelbon - BOS
7. llcoach - Brewers 10am EDT                                   Billy Wagner - HOU
8. bob_shabazz - Rangers 10:30am                           Darrell Evans - ATL
9. mussopini23 - Red Sox 11am                               Takashi Saito - LAD
10. specsman - Phillies 11:30am                              Hong-Chih Kuo - LAD                              Los Angeles Dodgers
11. DoctorKz - Giants 12pm                                        Manny Ramirez- BOS                               Boston Red Sox
12. newarkwilder - Expos/Nationals 12:30pm         Jose Reyes - NYM                                    New York Mets
13. rbow923 - Mariners 1pm                                       Bruce Sutter - CHC
14. spoonfed - Mets 1:30pm                                        Omar Vizquel - SFG
15. shaybee - Braves 2pm                                            Bob Knepper - HOU                                Houston Astros
16. tjefferson - Indians 2:30pm                                    Scott Garrelts - SFG                                San Francisco Giants
17. Cheno5 - Cubs 3pm                                                Danny Jackson - CIN
18. alleyviper - Cardinals 3:30pm                                Mark Eichhorn - TOR
19. ff09 - Royals 4pm                                                     Placido Polanco - DET
20. holleybard - Reds 4:30pm                                      Mike Caldwell - MIL
21. marlowe - Dodgers 5pm                                         Ben McDonald - BAL
22. Robin4 - Yankees 5:30pm                                      Victor Martinez - CLE
23. sinfonian11 - Astros 6pm                                        Mike Adams - SDP
24. sgsmith - Athletics 6:30pm                                     Lenny Dykstra - PHI
7/6/2012 11:49 AM (edited)
List of keepers/draft picks

jstewart281 - Arizona Diamondbacks:  Luis Gonzalez, Matt Williams, Steve Finley, Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Catfish Hunter - NYY, Daniel Hudson, John Valentin - BOS, Dan Haren, Gregg Jefferies - STL,

mllama54 - Detroit Tigers:  Justin Verlander, Willie Hernandez, Magglio Ordonez, Miguel Cabrera, Alan Trammell, Felix Hernandez - SEA, Tony Phillips, Adam Wainwright - STL, Ivan Rodriguez, Rick Reuschel - PIT

Disco Dogs - Pittsburgh Pirates:  Willie Stargell, Roberto Clemente, Barry Bonds, Freddie Sanchez, Zane Smith, Bob Gibson - STL, Jay Bell, Don Wilson - HOU, Doug Drabek, Bret Saberhagen - NYM

deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays:  Roger Clemens, Jimmy Key, Jose Bautista, Carlos Delgado, John Olerud, Kevin Brown - LAD, Tony Fernandez, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Rickey Henderson, Jorge Posada - NYY

moneybonn - San Diego Padres:  Randy Jones, Kevin Brown, Jake Peavy, Tony Gwynn, Ken Caminiti, Rico Petrocelli - BOS, Mark Loretta, Carl Yastrzemski - BOS, Trevor Hoffman, Jason Giambi - NYY

tridentric - Baltimore Orioles:  Cal Ripken, Jr., Roberto Alomar, Ken Singleton, Frank Robinson, Jim Palmer, Derek Lowe - BOS, Javy Lopez, Hideo Nomo - LAD, Melvin Mora, Jonathan Papelbon - BOS

llcoach - Milwaukee Brewers:  Paul Molitor, Robin Yount, Ryan Braun, Teddy Higuera, Ben Sheets, J.R. Richard - HOU, Cecil Cooper, Paul O'Neill - NYY, Rollie Fingers, Billy Wagner - HOU

bob_shabazz - Texas Rangers:  Nolan Ryan, Mike Napoli, Ivan Rodriguez, Alex Rodriguez, Josh Hamilton, Mike Cuellar - BAL, Juan Gonzalez, Jeff Kent - SFG, Frank Howard, Darrell Evans - ATL

mussopini23 - Boston Red Sox:  Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Nomar Garciaparra, Wade Boggs, Fred Lynn, Bill Singer - LAD, Jacoby Ellsbury, Phil Niekro - ATL, Carlton Fisk, Takashi Saito - LAD

specsman - Philadelphia Phillies:  Mike Schmidt, Jimmy Rollins, Ryan Howard, Steve Carlton, Curt Schilling, Chris Carpenter - STL, Cole Hamels, Billy Williams - CHC, Roy Halladay, Hong-Chih Kuo

DoctorKz - San Francisco Giants:  Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Juan Marichal, Jason Schmidt, Tim Lincecum, Ichiro Suzuki - SEA, Rich Aurillia, Roberto Alomar - TOR, Matt Cain, Manny Ramirez - BOS

newarkwilder - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals:  Tim Raines, Andre Dawson, Jose Vidro, Pedro Martinez, Dennis Martinez, Mike Norris - OAK, Gary Carter, Larry Dierker - HOU, Tim Burke, Jose Reyes - NYM

rbow923 - Seattle Mariners:  Ken Griffey, Jr., Alex Rodriguez, Edgar Martinez, Bret Boone, Randy Johnson, Rickey Henderson - NYY, J.J. Putz, Chris Hoiles - BAL, Freddy Garcia, Bruce Sutter - CHC

spoonfed - New York Mets:  Tom Seaver, Dwight Gooden, Pedro Martinez, David Wright, John Olerud, Andruw Jones - ATL, Edgardo Alfonso, Mario Soto - CIN, Gary Carter, Omar Vizquel - SFG

shaybee - Atlanta Braves:  Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Mark Texeira, Kevin Mitchell - SFG, Marcus Giles, Derek Jeter - NYY, Javy Lopez, Bob Knepper - HOU

tjefferson - Cleveland Indians:  Gaylord Perry, Albert Belle, Kenny Lofton, Roberto Alomar, Manny Ramirez, Kevin Millwood - ATL, Omar Vizquel, Mark McGwire - OAK, Brook Jacoby, Scott Garrelts - SFG

Cheno5 - Chicago Cubs:  Sammy Sosa, Ryne Sandberg, Rick Wilkins, Greg Maddux, Fergie Jenkins, Jose Rijo - CIN, Aramis Ramirez, Ozzie Smith - STL, Mark Grace, Danny Jackson - CIN

alleyviper - St. Louis Cardinals:  Mark McGwire, Albert Pujols, Willie McGee, Joe Torre, John Tudor, Pascual Perez - MON, Scott Rolen, Chris Young - SDP, Ted Simmons, Mark Eichhorn - TOR

ff09 - Kansas City Royals:  George Brett, Bret Saberhagen, Kevin Appier, Roger Nelson, David Cone, Jim Thome - CLE, Darrell Porter, Brian Giles, PIT, Larry Gura, Placido Polanco - DET

holleybard - Cincinnati Reds:  HWMNBN, George Foster, Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Tom Seaver, Derrek Lee - CHC, Gary Nolan, Gary Sheffield - SDP, Eric Davis, Mike Caldwell - MIL

marlowe - Los Angeles Dodgers:  Don Sutton, Clayton Kershaw, Orel Hershiser, Mike Piazza, Adrian Beltre, Rafael Palmeiro - TEX, Eric Gagne, Brian Roberts - BAL, Rafael Furcal, Ben McDonald - BAL

Robin4 - New York Yankees:  Robinson Cano, Alex Rodriguez, Bobby Murcer, Ron Guidry, Fritz Peterson, Zach Greinke - KCR, Mariano Rivera, Michael Young - TEX, Bernie Williams, Victor Martinez - CLE

sinfonian11 - Houston Astros:  Mike Scott, Jeff Bagwell, Lance Berkman, Craig Biggio, Roger Clemens, Barry Larkin - CIN, Nolan Ryan, Mike Piazza - NYM, Andy Pettite, Mike Adams - SDP

sgsmith - Oakland Athletics:  Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Dennis Eckersley, Chase Utley - PHI, Tim Hudson, Cliff Lee - SEA, Miguel Tejada, Lenny Dykstra - PHI


7/6/2012 11:51 AM (edited)
will be picking shortly

6/22/2012 3:09 PM
Shortly as in sometime today? ;-)
6/22/2012 4:13 PM
Hadn't fully appreciated how perverse Leg 36 was until I saw the order for the franchise draft.  League-worst records for the Astros and A's have to be related to the same cosmic disturbance that allowed you-know-who to be on a World Series-winning team, don't they?
6/22/2012 4:24 PM
Posted by mussopini23 on 6/22/2012 3:09:00 PM (view original):
will be picking shortly

Wow. Really?
6/22/2012 6:15 PM
Ugh.  Stuck in neutral.  pini, you didn't have to hold things up just to remind Doc of old times;-)
6/22/2012 8:01 PM
sorry, had to shoot outta work for baseball camp / coaching - I will select the franchise of the Boston Red Sox, IRREGAHDLESSSSSSSS
6/22/2012 8:18 PM
I'm amazed that we didn't have to send out a GD search party for Pindogg to get him to make his friggin pick.....nice goin, kid...

6/22/2012 10:38 PM
Home of the Pindogg....


6/22/2012 10:38 PM
Visiting the above mentioned hollowed ground in Bahsten is on my bucket list. I've got a friend that's from Weymouth, he drools at the mere mention of the place....I drive by Grand and Dodier all the time, once home to Sportsman's Park here in STL...Now it's the site of a boys/girls club, has been for many years now....
6/22/2012 10:41 PM
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