Phelan just finished Season 50 so here's the breakdown of the 27 players who opted for early exit:

7 Centers
4 Power Forwards
6 Small Forwards
7 Shooting Guards
3 Point Guards

NT Champion lost 2
NT Runner Up lost 2
NT Final Four lost 1 each
NT Elite 8 lost 2 total (2 teams lost 1, 2 team lost none)
NT Sweet 16 lost 8 total (1 team lost 3, 2 teams lost two, 1 team lost 1, 4 teams lost none)

PI Runner Up lost 1
PI 2nd round lost 1

1 team didn't make any post season lost 1

A+ Prestige teams lost 16
A Prestige teams lost 5
A- Prestige teams lost 5
B+ Prestige team lost 1

Now for my gripe, the 1 team that didn't make the post season this season and for the 2nd consecutive season the only team in Phelan not having at least an A- prestige, loses yet another player to EE...

Hey, at least you only lost the one guy.  I just had FIVE declare early last season in Tark.

Posted by emy1013 on 7/29/2012 12:25:00 PM (view original):
Hey, at least you only lost the one guy.  I just had FIVE declare early last season in Tark.

While I do empathize that your situation kinda sucks at least you have the following:

1.     You are at an A+ prestige Duke in a Big 6 confernce which did well so you should have the cash to recruit any 5 stars you want.

2.     You are coming off a championship game appearance (so this season where you have to recruit those 5 replacements didn't cost you a dime in RL).

budd, how studly was your guy? Was he a legit EE? If so, I feel bad for you, but what would you propose the change could be to fix it yet keep the level of realism that most users (and development) seem to desire?

He definately was legit, I'm not arguing that he wasn't worthy of EE (he was 2nd team AA after all, although the 1st team AA is staying for his SR year).  It just that the previous season, I had my soph legit PF go EE and he went #28 in the first round but I didn't even get a prestige bump and it pretty much screwed me this season.  This EE will make it that much more difficult for this season and trying to recruit a replacement with a lower prestige than my peers makes it hard.

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=2153115

Personally I think that EEs should be based on:

1.     How well you did in the post season (i.e. how much did the season cost you in RL dollars)

2.     What is your team's ability to replace the player (team prestige, conference tourney money, etc.) 

I view EEs as a means to prevent an ELITE program from dominating the tourney year in year out... all these EEs are doing to me is preventing me from even getting to the tourney now... 

Posted by buddhagamer on 7/29/2012 1:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 7/29/2012 12:25:00 PM (view original):
Hey, at least you only lost the one guy.  I just had FIVE declare early last season in Tark.

While I do empathize that your situation kinda sucks at least you have the following:

1.     You are at an A+ prestige Duke in a Big 6 confernce which did well so you should have the cash to recruit any 5 stars you want.

2.     You are coming off a championship game appearance (so this season where you have to recruit those 5 replacements didn't cost you a dime in RL).

Correct on point #2.

Point #1, umm, don't forget that every other school in the conference got the same amount of tourney money as I did.  Not like I got all this extra money that no one else did.  Meaning, there are plenty of schools near me who have nearly as much cash to recruit as I do.  Not too mention a couple of Big East schools who are loaded also.  I may land a couple of five stars, sure, but it won't be nearly as easy as you're making it out to be.

Posted by emy1013 on 7/29/2012 4:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by buddhagamer on 7/29/2012 1:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 7/29/2012 12:25:00 PM (view original):
Hey, at least you only lost the one guy.  I just had FIVE declare early last season in Tark.

While I do empathize that your situation kinda sucks at least you have the following:

1.     You are at an A+ prestige Duke in a Big 6 confernce which did well so you should have the cash to recruit any 5 stars you want.

2.     You are coming off a championship game appearance (so this season where you have to recruit those 5 replacements didn't cost you a dime in RL).

Correct on point #2.

Point #1, umm, don't forget that every other school in the conference got the same amount of tourney money as I did.  Not like I got all this extra money that no one else did.  Meaning, there are plenty of schools near me who have nearly as much cash to recruit as I do.  Not too mention a couple of Big East schools who are loaded also.  I may land a couple of five stars, sure, but it won't be nearly as easy as you're making it out to be.

I'm not implying that you will have a super easy time in recruiting... but that at worst you will more than likely be on equal footing (assuming distance isn't a huge factor).

Almost nobody will have better prestige and very few will have more cash than you (considering you'll have a very large # of schollies) so you shouldn't be at a huge disadvantage.  I on the other hand will likely be at a prestige disadvantage when attempting to recruit a replacement player versus my peers.

I guess its all relative since I'm probably better off than the D+ prestige school but when I've had more EEs in the last 4 seasons than another conf mate has at his A- prestige school for his entire tenure of 11 seasons, I see something very wrong with that (considering I'm trying to climb up in prestige and not been dropping down).

Posted by buddhagamer on 7/29/2012 6:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 7/29/2012 4:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by buddhagamer on 7/29/2012 1:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 7/29/2012 12:25:00 PM (view original):
Hey, at least you only lost the one guy.  I just had FIVE declare early last season in Tark.

While I do empathize that your situation kinda sucks at least you have the following:

1.     You are at an A+ prestige Duke in a Big 6 confernce which did well so you should have the cash to recruit any 5 stars you want.

2.     You are coming off a championship game appearance (so this season where you have to recruit those 5 replacements didn't cost you a dime in RL).

Correct on point #2.

Point #1, umm, don't forget that every other school in the conference got the same amount of tourney money as I did.  Not like I got all this extra money that no one else did.  Meaning, there are plenty of schools near me who have nearly as much cash to recruit as I do.  Not too mention a couple of Big East schools who are loaded also.  I may land a couple of five stars, sure, but it won't be nearly as easy as you're making it out to be.

I'm not implying that you will have a super easy time in recruiting... but that at worst you will more than likely be on equal footing (assuming distance isn't a huge factor).

Almost nobody will have better prestige and very few will have more cash than you (considering you'll have a very large # of schollies) so you shouldn't be at a huge disadvantage.  I on the other hand will likely be at a prestige disadvantage when attempting to recruit a replacement player versus my peers.

I guess its all relative since I'm probably better off than the D+ prestige school but when I've had more EEs in the last 4 seasons than another conf mate has at his A- prestige school for his entire tenure of 11 seasons, I see something very wrong with that (considering I'm trying to climb up in prestige and not been dropping down).

Okay, I follow you.  Fair enough.

That guy is also very legitimate EE, probably a top 10 big this year. 

Yea, I would expect that most, if not all, second team All-American juniors would leave to go to the NBA. I know it sucks for you, but it happens in real life. 

I was the runner up and lost two guys that should have gone pro. In fact I was probably lucky not to have lost one/both as sophomores. The guy that Washignton State lost is a very good center with good stats. He would have started for my squad. Not a headsctratching ee, imo.

Posted by buddhagamer on 7/29/2012 4:09:00 PM (view original):
He definately was legit, I'm not arguing that he wasn't worthy of EE (he was 2nd team AA after all, although the 1st team AA is staying for his SR year).  It just that the previous season, I had my soph legit PF go EE and he went #28 in the first round but I didn't even get a prestige bump and it pretty much screwed me this season.  This EE will make it that much more difficult for this season and trying to recruit a replacement with a lower prestige than my peers makes it hard.

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=2153115

Personally I think that EEs should be based on:

1.     How well you did in the post season (i.e. how much did the season cost you in RL dollars)

2.     What is your team's ability to replace the player (team prestige, conference tourney money, etc.) 

I view EEs as a means to prevent an ELITE program from dominating the tourney year in year out... all these EEs are doing to me is preventing me from even getting to the tourney now... 

So in other words you want the EE system to work in a way that benefits your current situation.

If a guy is good enough, he should go EE whether he's on a 3 win team or a National Champion.

Posted by stinenavy on 7/30/2012 1:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by buddhagamer on 7/29/2012 4:09:00 PM (view original):
He definately was legit, I'm not arguing that he wasn't worthy of EE (he was 2nd team AA after all, although the 1st team AA is staying for his SR year).  It just that the previous season, I had my soph legit PF go EE and he went #28 in the first round but I didn't even get a prestige bump and it pretty much screwed me this season.  This EE will make it that much more difficult for this season and trying to recruit a replacement with a lower prestige than my peers makes it hard.

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=2153115

Personally I think that EEs should be based on:

1.     How well you did in the post season (i.e. how much did the season cost you in RL dollars)

2.     What is your team's ability to replace the player (team prestige, conference tourney money, etc.) 

I view EEs as a means to prevent an ELITE program from dominating the tourney year in year out... all these EEs are doing to me is preventing me from even getting to the tourney now... 

So in other words you want the EE system to work in a way that benefits your current situation.

If a guy is good enough, he should go EE whether he's on a 3 win team or a National Champion.

I'm not saying that my guy wasn't a legit EE... what I am saying is that in any given season there could be 50 legit EEs in a world (i.e. any of these teams shouldn't complain if their player opted for the draft).  If you want to cut off there then I'm perfectly fine with all 50 going EE but that isn't how it works.

Far fewer than those 50 will opt for the draft.  All I'm saying is that WIS's method of selecting who goes EE and who doesn't should either be more tranparent (i.e. the scouting eval actually would be more clear than it is now) or their method of determining should be better defined.

I guess what I am asking the WIS player base here is what do you think the intent of EEs are? 

Is it to hit all NT teams (probably half the draft filled with EEs) so that we get a bigger turnover of NT participants.  Is it to hit the Elite teams (i.e. those that get to say Elite 8 year in year out so maybe only 25% of the draft are EEs) so they don't keep going deep every year?  Is it to make it so any one lucky enough to draft an EE player (even a D+ school) to get hit?

By your last statement, I would think you want everyone (all 50) to go EE I'm guessing?

I would want the best players to go EE, which I think is what has happened here. Sure, there probably are a couple of other bigs who are similar to your player that hasn't gone EE from better teams, but that is the built in randomness. 

If we do something like the best 15 JRs go EE, your guy would be one of them.

I think out of those 50 if it was random that would be ok.  OR I'd actually like it if you could get a hint based on scouting reports.