Whats the best IQ you have seen in a FR.  I dont track this closely, but I know I have seen C's and I think I have seen some B's but very few.

has anyone ever seen an A?

My personal view is that the game would be much better if the distro of IQs in FR moved to include a meaningful number of B hoop IQs - maybe 10%.  And then also a few A hoop IQs - maybe 1%.

That would make it possible - hard but possible - to have a FR contribute at the high DI level - and also possible to have a FR contribute strongly at other levels.  not all FR, but some.....

What have people seen?

What do you think?

I have a player on my VUU roster with a b- iq in motion. He is a senior now, but I run flex and have never practiced motion. He is an international player, if that matters at all

I think the highest they come in with is C+ if I'm not mistaken. I've felt this way for a long time as well. If it's possible for freshman to be 1 and done, those type of freshman should be able to produce like 1 and done players.

I think IQ reflects the reality of the knowledge curve in basketball. Just because players are drafted after one year in college does not mean they have better basketball IQ's than the average freshman. Instead, what we see in real life, and in HD, is players with chart-topping athleticism & potential that get drafted. I think IQ is something something that could easily have been left out when designing the game and I think the game is better for it being incorporated.

To be clear, I think IQ is a good feature of the game.  But lets take the example at high DI - I would love to find a kid who is 80s in his cores - not 90s - and doesnt have much potential for skills improvements but happens to be a B IQ in my offense and an A- in my defense so he could step in and play like a good upperclassman.

I think IQ is a good concept as well. But I'm with the OP on this. In the real world, some Freshmen come in ready to be superstars right away. And it's not JUST the 1-and-doners either. Look at a guy like K-State's Marcus Foster. He's already KSU's best player, and would probably be the equivalent of a "B" IQ in Bruce Weber's motion offense.

Posted by metsmax on 2/24/2014 3:12:00 PM (view original):
To be clear, I think IQ is a good feature of the game.  But lets take the example at high DI - I would love to find a kid who is 80s in his cores - not 90s - and doesnt have much potential for skills improvements but happens to be a B IQ in my offense and an A- in my defense so he could step in and play like a good upperclassman.

I see. Why cap IQ for all incoming freshman? Instead, permit the occasional freshman with "coach's kid" IQ. That would add another fun variable. 

Posted by kmasonbx1 on 2/24/2014 3:02:00 PM (view original):
I think the highest they come in with is C+ if I'm not mistaken. I've felt this way for a long time as well. If it's possible for freshman to be 1 and done, those type of freshman should be able to produce like 1 and done players.

On extremely rare occasions you'll get a line on an SV that says the kid has tremendous knowledge in (off/def), "as good as some juniors and seniors." In those cases the kid MIGHT (not always, but at least sometimes) come in with a B- IQ. I have neither seen nor been made aware of higher entry IQs at the freshman level (JUCOs will come in with better IQ).

And I've long been in favor of giving an extreme few recruits a higher-level entry IQ, just to help make them more relevant and potentially useful in year 1.

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/24/2014 3:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wildcat98 on 2/24/2014 3:16:00 PM (view original):
I think IQ is a good concept as well. But I'm with the OP on this. In the real world, some Freshmen come in ready to be superstars right away. And it's not JUST the 1-and-doners either. Look at a guy like K-State's Marcus Foster. He's already KSU's best player, and would probably be the equivalent of a "B" IQ in Bruce Weber's motion offense.

Most FR would be a B at this point in the season if they've been playing significant minutes.

It's just not that hard to learn most systems in basketball. In part, that's by design -- it doesn't do a coach any good to have a system he can't teach to players such that he can get the best use out of the most resources.

Definitely true in real life that coached have dumbed down systems because of the youth of their squad. But if that were done, the system being dumbed down would be far more limited; the young player would have a "B" IQ in a skeleton system.

Posted by MyGeneration on 2/24/2014 3:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/24/2014 3:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wildcat98 on 2/24/2014 3:16:00 PM (view original):
I think IQ is a good concept as well. But I'm with the OP on this. In the real world, some Freshmen come in ready to be superstars right away. And it's not JUST the 1-and-doners either. Look at a guy like K-State's Marcus Foster. He's already KSU's best player, and would probably be the equivalent of a "B" IQ in Bruce Weber's motion offense.

Most FR would be a B at this point in the season if they've been playing significant minutes.

It's just not that hard to learn most systems in basketball. In part, that's by design -- it doesn't do a coach any good to have a system he can't teach to players such that he can get the best use out of the most resources.

Definitely true in real life that coached have dumbed down systems because of the youth of their squad. But if that were done, the system being dumbed down would be far more limited; the young player would have a "B" IQ in a skeleton system.

And making such "skeleton" systems available would be a pretty complex programming knot to tie, I would think. Easier to just implement a few "coach's kid" recruits that come in at high B/low A level, as well as more that come in at low B/high C level.

Posted by MyGeneration on 2/24/2014 3:07:00 PM (view original):
I think IQ reflects the reality of the knowledge curve in basketball. Just because players are drafted after one year in college does not mean they have better basketball IQ's than the average freshman. Instead, what we see in real life, and in HD, is players with chart-topping athleticism & potential that get drafted. I think IQ is something something that could easily have been left out when designing the game and I think the game is better for it being incorporated.

Yea, but the only way to be really productive in this game is to have a decent IQ. A guy who comes in with a F IQ isn't going to perform up to his ratings. While freshman are often drafted based on potential, there is also production mixed in there. Nobody should be leaving after 1 season with the way freshman produce in this game, and that is due to the low IQs.

I've always thought IQ was implemented incorrectly in this game. Basketball offenses and defenses aren't that complex, if you have a high basketball IQ you will learn them quickly. Because of that I would have made IQ an player attribute like all the rest of the ratings.

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/24/2014 3:56:00 PM (view original):
LOL now he says it...where was this a week ago when everyone was attacking me for saying that IQ was all wrong? 

I'm hoping you'll say you were out of the country or something.

What are you hoping to accomplish with posts like this?

Posted by kmasonbx1 on 2/24/2014 3:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MyGeneration on 2/24/2014 3:07:00 PM (view original):
I think IQ reflects the reality of the knowledge curve in basketball. Just because players are drafted after one year in college does not mean they have better basketball IQ's than the average freshman. Instead, what we see in real life, and in HD, is players with chart-topping athleticism & potential that get drafted. I think IQ is something something that could easily have been left out when designing the game and I think the game is better for it being incorporated.

Yea, but the only way to be really productive in this game is to have a decent IQ. A guy who comes in with a F IQ isn't going to perform up to his ratings. While freshman are often drafted based on potential, there is also production mixed in there. Nobody should be leaving after 1 season with the way freshman produce in this game, and that is due to the low IQs.

I've always thought IQ was implemented incorrectly in this game. Basketball offenses and defenses aren't that complex, if you have a high basketball IQ you will learn them quickly. Because of that I would have made IQ an player attribute like all the rest of the ratings.

This is actually a fantastic idea! Make IQ just one aspect of player traits, numbered the same as ATH, SPD, etc., and knowledge of particular offenses separate. Then an "F" in Motion, FB, or whatever would become a "B" in one season for a 70+ IQ guy, while it might take 3 seasons to get there with a 20-30 IQ guy. This would be a great update for WIS to implement!