I tried to pull players from DI, I had the back-up option. I eventually lost the chance because they never considered me. I spent over 12 STS on one player, 10 STS on another one... they both were undecided still...

Maybe it's because I am a D+ team. No idea. But even when the signings started, they both remained undecided...

Needed to send more.  When I was at DII I would send 10 SV's the first cycle, then 5 every cycle after that until he either started considering me or started considering someone I couldn't beat in a battle.

Since pulldowns can be expensive consider consolidating your efforts into one pull down next time.  If you pull someone down and have enough money left over, then you could go after another pulldown.  I would bet if you used all 22 SV's on just one player, he would have considered you.

Thanks Clouseb. I did not know it was that expensive. I thought it was a bit like DIII going for DII but I guess I needed to get overboard. Next time, I will concentrate on one.

I agree with clouseb. 10 then 5's after that. Also yes, that D+ makes it hard for pulldowns. You might need 20 instead of 10..

in my experience, 10 really is the guideline for an a+ d2 school. even by like an a-, it seems like it takes at least 12 or something. its probably more like 15 around a d+, but im not very confident in that figure at all, if its less its probably only 1 or 2 less, but it could be more like 20. i'd start with 15 and go from there.

the reason i am not a fan of the +5 at a time strategy is the cost. usually if you have a good idea what it should take, and you take a shot, and miss, +2 does the trick. but the less confident you are how much it should take, the more it makes sense to add more like 5. its dangerous to leave all that money on the line without getting your name on the list, so probably better to err on the side of doing a few extra. but by the same logic (and because it takes more than 10), i'd definitely start higher than 10 if you weren't an a+ (maybe +1 per partial grade under an a+??), which should make it easier to add less later. the other advantage is that going in small jumps gives you more info about what it actually took to get considered, which helps you learn for the future, what amount you should do.

dont go TOO much higher - once you are up around 15 on an a+, you basically are probably not showing up because someone else is going for the guy. always make sure to double check the phone call response if you start getting up there on SVs and think you should be considered (generally best to double check before you start pulling the guy down, too, i got burned really badly on that once, like i think i was up to 40 SVs before i noticed). but anyway, if it does start getting up there, you have to re-evaluate the situation - is it worth fighting for this guy? or, if someone else is going for him, if you both do 5 more, will that be enough to get considered? or should you try to dump in like 10 to get considered first so hopefully the other guy goes away? its been too long, i don't remember much about how it works when 2 people try to pull down the same guy, maybe someone else can explain that a little better,

It took about 15, a home visit, and a minutes promise to get my pulldown as a B-.

Others when I was a C came down after 8. It just depends. My advice with you being such a low prestige, waaaaait if you want to pulldown somebody. At D+, any limping DI team could come by and steal him even if you have been considering from day 1. Likewise with any coaches B+ and up for DII. As a B- I spent $5,500 on a guy that was farish away to pull down. An A local to him got him considering. I was done. Wasted that money.

When you get a higher prestige, it might be good to get guys considering early because not everyone wants a battle. But that low, I don't think I would think twice before stealing your guy at the last minute.

Is it possible to pull a D1 prospect down to D2 even if you aren't the backup school?

Posted by etmoney28 on 9/25/2014 2:04:00 PM (view original):
Is it possible to pull a D1 prospect down to D2 even if you aren't the backup school?

assuming by "the backup school", you mean "a backup school" (there are always many), then no. once a player tells you to go to hell, or rejects your phone call, or similar, you know for sure* that you could never ever** get that player to consider you, no matter what.


* note that ever since the new engine, recruiting has been buggy and there are essentially no absolutes anymore. it has been reported by 2 different people to my knowledge that they did actually get a "go to hell" person to consider them - they thought the message was a "backup option" message, which is how it came about, not from people just trying people who said no way. those reports could not be "confirmed" as it was relying on memory of a phone call responses, not a currently occurring situation in which questions could be asked and answered.

** see *

thanks!

I just recently pulled down a player as a D3 B- school from a C D2 school.  He was considering the D2 school the whole time so it was for sure a battle that was going to take money.  As far as ACCEPTED recruiting tools (as I sent home visits after 10 ST to test waters) it went Coach Call, ST (10), ST (3), ST, ST (2).  At this point signings had started but he hadn't signed with the D2 school yet so I thought I'd try to see why I wasn't considered yet as the WOTS said he was "very open to other offers".  A phone call put me on the consideration list.  From there I went Scholarship, phone call, letters (10), phone calls (8) (was running low on money at this point and deciding to sign a backup or not), HV (finally!), phone call, starting spot (going to be a down year so starting this guy who is going to be a stud isn't going to hurt my feelings), HV, phone calls (5), 15 minutes (again, not hurting my feelings.  He did end up signing, thankfully. Took $4,090.  At a D3 budget, that can be a lot so I got lucky to snatch him up!

On Pull Downs other than cost effectiveness, would it be more likely to pull someone down if they are local? I.E. Erie,PA Erie,PA in my case

Posted by meece on 9/26/2014 1:12:00 PM (view original):
On Pull Downs other than cost effectiveness, would it be more likely to pull someone down if they are local? I.E. Erie,PA Erie,PA in my case

Yes.  The closer they are the cheaper the ST, HV, and CV.

Posted by jaymc2007 on 9/26/2014 1:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by meece on 9/26/2014 1:12:00 PM (view original):
On Pull Downs other than cost effectiveness, would it be more likely to pull someone down if they are local? I.E. Erie,PA Erie,PA in my case

Yes.  The closer they are the cheaper the ST, HV, and CV.

TY, but main question is other than cost. Is it more likely to get them if they are closer? Or would the closer aspect fall under the Future Stars info

Posted by meece on 9/26/2014 2:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jaymc2007 on 9/26/2014 1:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by meece on 9/26/2014 1:12:00 PM (view original):
On Pull Downs other than cost effectiveness, would it be more likely to pull someone down if they are local? I.E. Erie,PA Erie,PA in my case

Yes.  The closer they are the cheaper the ST, HV, and CV.

TY, but main question is other than cost. Is it more likely to get them if they are closer? Or would the closer aspect fall under the Future Stars info

I know it falls under the FSS.  But in my experience, the closer they are, the more "pull" you have on them.  Especially if you are dealing with a comparable school (prestige wise).  That is in my experience though.  If I am wrong I am sure some of the more experienced coaches will set me straight!

Makes sense, The FSS part for me is tough since im in Erie PA and there are 3 states an Toronto all within 100 miles from campus. But will give it a try as I only have a few graduates the next couple years.