Division 1 Recruiting Help Topic

This will be my first time recruiting in D1, and I had a couple of questions while I start setting up my recruiting board.
I'm at a D+ prestige right now, realistically what's the best rated players I can pursue? How do you make sense of the ranking system?
What should players I bring in core ratings look like when they're seniors, will athleticism/speed and defense in the 70's (zone) be able to compete?
Is a 50-60 ball handling SG too much of a turnover liability against human coaches regardless of his other ratings?
How should I handle a battle with a C+ sim school on a player within 250 miles of me? What about beyond that?
I know this last one is dependent on a lot of factors but are recruits more expensive to sign at D1 or can you get players for less than $1000 if it's the right situation?
Any other tips or advice you have just let me know.
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Team profile in case anyone is interested.
12/10/2014 4:06 AM
I just completed a recruiting cycle with D1 D+ prestige, and by starting with phone calls to every recruit that I thought would work for me, I figured out the approximate range of ratings I could expect to sign.  That range changes with the cycles, however, as the closer it got to signings or after, the more amenable players were to signing with me.  I intentionally avoided direct battles by waiting a couple of cycles after recruiting began, but that strategy varies by coach.  It wasn't one I normally follow, for sure.

I also won a battle with a B- school at about 200-250 miles, but it took a chunk of my budget and lasted until the afternoon of the 2nd day after signings.  I like to think I would have won anyway (FSS looked good for me), but the other school got off him when their alternate recruit popped for them.  As much as I was tempted to bail and sign someone else, I'm glad I stuck it out.

That SG wouldn't be horrible depending on potentials, as long as you have a good PG or two and he can shoot.  More important attributes would be ATH and SPD.

As for costs, they're the same for D1 as for other divisions, but if you're aiming high or in a battle with another school they can spike pretty quickly.  You'll also have a lot more cash to spend.  I've only had one season in D1 when I ran short of money, and that was due to a couple of my own mistakes.  I've signed players for a bit over $1,000 and as much as $25k.  I've read other D1 vets tell of spending $100k and more in long battles.

12/10/2014 10:37 AM
My opnion in DI with a low prestige is go after guys with lower ratings but high potential.  That 50-60 BH SG, if high potential, will be just fine by JR/SR year.  Look for guys in your area and don't be afraid to go after international recruits.  Also don't be afraid to go after transfers or JUCO recruits.  Make coach calls to ranked recruits to see if your a back up option, than you can try to recruit them.  Hope this helps a little.
12/10/2014 11:04 AM
Posted by terps21234 on 12/10/2014 11:04:00 AM (view original):
My opnion in DI with a low prestige is go after guys with lower ratings but high potential.  That 50-60 BH SG, if high potential, will be just fine by JR/SR year.  Look for guys in your area and don't be afraid to go after international recruits.  Also don't be afraid to go after transfers or JUCO recruits.  Make coach calls to ranked recruits to see if your a back up option, than you can try to recruit them.  Hope this helps a little.
Coach calls are also great for transfers, as you can find out what off/def they've been playing and often, how good they are at it.  I actually feel like I get better info from the coach than from calling players.
12/10/2014 11:42 AM
For transfers just click the stats link, you'll see last years IQs
12/10/2014 12:04 PM
Posted by ethan66 on 12/10/2014 11:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by terps21234 on 12/10/2014 11:04:00 AM (view original):
My opnion in DI with a low prestige is go after guys with lower ratings but high potential.  That 50-60 BH SG, if high potential, will be just fine by JR/SR year.  Look for guys in your area and don't be afraid to go after international recruits.  Also don't be afraid to go after transfers or JUCO recruits.  Make coach calls to ranked recruits to see if your a back up option, than you can try to recruit them.  Hope this helps a little.
Coach calls are also great for transfers, as you can find out what off/def they've been playing and often, how good they are at it.  I actually feel like I get better info from the coach than from calling players.
+1
12/10/2014 12:14 PM
Posted by ethan66 on 12/10/2014 11:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by terps21234 on 12/10/2014 11:04:00 AM (view original):
My opnion in DI with a low prestige is go after guys with lower ratings but high potential.  That 50-60 BH SG, if high potential, will be just fine by JR/SR year.  Look for guys in your area and don't be afraid to go after international recruits.  Also don't be afraid to go after transfers or JUCO recruits.  Make coach calls to ranked recruits to see if your a back up option, than you can try to recruit them.  Hope this helps a little.
Coach calls are also great for transfers, as you can find out what off/def they've been playing and often, how good they are at it.  I actually feel like I get better info from the coach than from calling players.
I am fairly certain you can't perform coach calls on transfers.  You can call juco coaches and everyone else though.
12/10/2014 12:54 PM
True.  I was counting system-generated Juco and small college recruits with less than 4 years eligibility as "transfers".




12/10/2014 1:24 PM
I recently started playing D1 after years of playing D2 and D3.  FWIW, my D1 team is under carl3298 so you can't see my resume here.  So far all my 2 teams have been decent and both low level or mid-major (Samford & Xavier).  I have been able to make the sweet 16 twice (once with each school) and build up the schools to B or B+ prestige.

I had a lot of help from a veteran coach which was tremendous. This was a huge help.

Anyhow, my general thoughts:
 - with D level prestige, you are at a real disadvantage to almost everyone.  Because of that, my guess is your best bet will be staying within 360 miles for the most part (>360 will obviously gives you greater cost, and still prestige problem)

 - be very sober minded about entering a battle with schools your above your prestige.  you aren't likely to  won't win a battle with B prestige guys or higher if they are in the 360 loop of the recruit (unless you have some other advantage such as 6 scholarships and he has one, and you want to spend lots of cash)

- don't be naïve.  someone is always watching good players.  even low rated, high potential players are desirable.  It is uncommon to see decent players un-challenged.  that said, I have found role players often that go unbothered. My guess is I am lucky to grab them b/c bigger schools want better players so they pass them up and generally there are fewer lower level D1 schools to battle over left-overs. 

- also in regarding to not being naïve, protect you player if he is only considering you - make sure FSS says you are "very tight" or something along those lines.  if a school wants to pick a battle, they will look for teams that don't have that "tight" message on FSS

- expect last minute bombs.  it is very common in D1 to get hit right before signings.  save money and be prepared.  realize there is sometimes nothing you can do about it - if you did the FSS to "tight" message, you may still be vulnerable just by merely being D+

- I have been lucky with some internationals.  perhaps since FSS doesn't apply (so no one knows how "tight" the recruit is) and everyone is at an equal disadvantage due to distance (even with d1 budgets, $1,500 HV can add up quick), it seems like some lower level recruits can be found in the first few cycles, and then you just pray you can hold on.  It seems like high level 4-5 * players still have battles for internationals....but I wouldn't know from experience b/c I can't get these players yet

- don't forget about Puerto Rico.  Never remember getting  a good player from there, but my guess is a lot of coaches forget to search there and it doesn't show up under internationals, yet also isn't under FSS so you have to search for it specifically

- don't over extend yourself. you don't want 5-6 guys for all 5-6 spots.  and for crying out loud, don't have 7-8 guys on your considering board!  with D+ prestige, that will look spread thin by many. especially if you end up in a few battles.  the more vulnerable you look, the more likely a good player will be snatched up.

- re: press (since your team is press defense) I never played press at D1, but I think it would be harder.  IMO, you need 11-12 guys, so you do need fill all your roster spots.  you will be looking for athletic and fast players - which are at a premium.  and since you need to fill roster spots you won't be able to employ the method of only filling 3-4 spots when you have 6 openings, thus spending more $$ per player.

- I do wait at least one cycle before doing too much of significance besides calls.    I have found if I am too aggressive early, I risk losing the money when I don't even get on the considering board due to big schools wanting the player too.  most d1 coaches know a good player regarding of their "star" ranking.  there just don't seem to be many secrets.  to me it seems like the big schools jump in first cycle, smaller schools then jump in second cycle... then everyone re-evaluates for many cycles, decides where to pick fights, etc.; then huge effort happens again right before and after signings. 

- lastly, keep your head on a swivel.  you need to look at nearby schools and see what they are doing.  will they attack?  are they vulnerable?  I was sitting on some guys a few seasons ago (at Xavier) and Michigan was just doing nothing.  No one on his considering list.  I forget how many openings he had.  but it made me nervous. fortunately, I think my guys were too small time and he never did anything.  point is, know your competition or potential attackers to help gauge how aggressive you can be.  after a few seasons it usually becomes clear who is your direct competition. 

12/10/2014 1:40 PM (edited)
Im in the middle of that trying to build up a D+ Virginia Tech.  I went for mostly 50-150 ranked at their position,  I dont remember getting anyone higher than that til I hit the C range.  I went the High potential crappy starting route and it was able to make me competitive (low and midrange teams in the ACC) but being competitive and winning is a HUGE differnece.  just concentrate on growth the 1st 2 yrs,  start all your FR, schedule crappy teams to get those nonconf wins then work from there.
12/10/2014 2:21 PM
Thanks everyone all of this input helps a lot and has given me a good idea of where to start I think.
I'm probably going to keep posting questions as they arise this first season but if there's any other advice anyone has please post it or feel free to sitemail me.
12/10/2014 3:57 PM
Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/10/2014 12:04:00 PM (view original):
For transfers just click the stats link, you'll see last years IQs
Yep and you don't even waste a phone call.
12/10/2014 5:55 PM
Posted by ethan66 on 12/10/2014 11:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by terps21234 on 12/10/2014 11:04:00 AM (view original):
My opnion in DI with a low prestige is go after guys with lower ratings but high potential.  That 50-60 BH SG, if high potential, will be just fine by JR/SR year.  Look for guys in your area and don't be afraid to go after international recruits.  Also don't be afraid to go after transfers or JUCO recruits.  Make coach calls to ranked recruits to see if your a back up option, than you can try to recruit them.  Hope this helps a little.
Coach calls are also great for transfers, as you can find out what off/def they've been playing and often, how good they are at it.  I actually feel like I get better info from the coach than from calling players.
It's my feeling that you should ALWAYS use a coach call before a players call. Why? You'll still know whether you're a back-up or not (beyond a shadow of a doubt, no ambiguous messages to decipher) AND lots of times you'll also get what sets he knows. Not always, but the majority of the time you'll get at least either the O or the D.
12/10/2014 5:59 PM
Brianxavier's post is really, really good.  I'm not sure I agree with getting *tight* with a recruit early on.  If a B- school wants to take your guy early, they're going to take him.  A strong WOTS probably won't scare them and at D+ you won't want to get into a huge battle in the first 36 hours (in my opinion).  

You do need to pay a lot more attention in D1 though.  If a B school takes a kid from a C school, that C school is going to start looking elsewhere and you could see a trickle down effect.  Pay attention to which humans coached schools are in your 360 mile radius and what they're doing, especially those in the C- to C+ range.  

Don't take a guy just to fill a roster spot (unless it's a 1-year transfer, but those kids are at a premium to preserve carryover cash); the $15K next year will always be better than having a kid with a couple of holes for 4 years.

12/10/2014 10:41 PM
In D2 it seemed like the prestige factor was pretty small, but seems a lot more important in D1 good to know. I wish I looked into my school location more than I did, I'm in Ohio and was surprised how many D1 teams they fit in that state haha. 


12/11/2014 1:05 AM
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