Here is the season long improvement of a guy with 10 WE.

Season	Type	A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	OVR
79	Current	50	57	1	50	1	15	37	66	50	11	60	65	C-	463
79	Season Start	49	52	1	46	1	15	37	62	43	10	56	59	C-	431

Between 4-7 points of improvement in Blue areas (20 minutes)

www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/RatingsHistory.aspx

and here is a 5 WE

79	Season End	80	48	31	80	13	28	31	23	16	7	61	27	C	445
79	Season Start	80	48	31	80	13	28	31	20	13	5	58	26	C	433

Maxed out at 3 points of growth in the Blue.

And to be fair, this is a 59 WE guy:

Season	Type	A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	OVR
79	Current	78	67	2	76	2	1	57	59	57	65	81	65	B+	610
79	Season Start	64	59	2	76	2	0	31	56	33	59	65	63	B+	510

Blues are 14-29 point growth.

Thanks. The 10 guy did well.

Agree. At 30 points of growth I would consider the 10 WE guy if he is already decent in his cores. If his WE grew more though, it would be more enticing. A 1 WE growth is a little disappointing. It would be nice if he grew maybe 4-5 in WE.

A 10 WE guy will grow 3 points in WE if he starts 25 games.

10 WE guy will lose like half of that growth between seasons...

Posted by dacj501 on 2/6/2015 10:29:00 PM (view original):
10 WE guy will lose like half of that growth between seasons...

That is not true....generally they lose 4ish points in stamina and a few points in other spots....I'll find some examples for you.

With your example, Trenton, I am going to recruit some 10 WE when they have core stats.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/7/2015 8:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 2/6/2015 10:29:00 PM (view original):
10 WE guy will lose like half of that growth between seasons...

That is not true....generally they lose 4ish points in stamina and a few points in other spots....I'll find some examples for you.

I can't cut and paste on my chromebook but Jerry Sutton and Adam Crewson my NYU team, JAmes Jacoby on Redlands,  and Dana Thompson on Baldwin-Wallace College under Scaturo  all show that 10 WE don't lose 1/2 of their growth in the off season.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/7/2015 8:19:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/7/2015 8:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 2/6/2015 10:29:00 PM (view original):
10 WE guy will lose like half of that growth between seasons...

That is not true....generally they lose 4ish points in stamina and a few points in other spots....I'll find some examples for you.

I can't cut and paste on my chromebook but Jerry Sutton and Adam Crewson my NYU team, JAmes Jacoby on Redlands,  and Dana Thompson on Baldwin-Wallace College under Scaturo  all show that 10 WE don't lose 1/2 of their growth in the off season.

I'll give ya Sutton - he gained 18 only lost 4, including no WE drop during off season, which I'd think was rare. Jacoby started at 21 and dropped to 15 WE was never a 10. Crew on NYU was only a 5 not a 10 so he doesn't really count, but yes, he did gain 12 points his first year and lose 6 of them in the off season...

So, I guess I admit I was incorrect, and that perhaps only guys around 5 WE lose half during the offseason. Of course even two guys with the same 5 WE probably won't be exactly the same, right? SO who knows. 

I admit I made a broad generalization that is proven false, so for clarity sake for newer folks, I concede this point. TJ has done a lot more studying on low WE than I have, that is for certain :)

I RS'ed JAcoby, that's why he lost WE in the offseason.......guy's never lose WE in the off season unless you RS them.......now that the SIM saves data I will try to post some serious data.

It seems like a player gains 10% in WE during the season. The 10 guy went up 1, the 59 guy went up 6. However the 5 WE guy went up 2.

Thought this could help the discussion. This is a guy I recruited with a 15 WE

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/RatingsHistory.aspx?tid=13127&pid=2913131

There's a pretty significant difference between the "low" WE guys..........1-5ish is practically no growth......7-11 is like a max of 4.....somewhere around 15 you start growth up to 8 or 9 in a season.