That's not a great comparison. Dekker is bigger and more of a 3/4 while Hayward is a 2/3.

I think Dekker will develop into a SF, Point forward type, not a 3/4. He will be able to post-up smaller defender. Gordon Hayward is an athletic SF with all the skills. I can't compare him to Chandler Parsons. I think he is a better ballhandler.

Why do you only have to compare him to white players?

I think a better comparison is Jeff Green. Versatile offensive player, post up game, decent shooter, can slash but not a great ball handler, moves without the bal, not a great defender.

I really like the Jeff Green comparison, I actually think that's the best one so far.

Also I could see he potential as a slightly worse version of Joe Johnson, very great scorers, Dekker has a better post up game, but both drive to the hoop very well, and can get hot from deep.  Both are fluid and slick.  I'm wasn't old enough to see Johnson in his younger days so I don't know how athletic he was though.

Gordon Hayward is really good - not quite an All Star but pretty close. Dekker is projected as a mid first rounder, if he ever reaches Hayward's level that would be a steal for whoever gets him.

Their games aren't really that similar. Hayward's game is that of a tall guard, while Dekker is bigger and stronger - more of a true forward. Hayward is a much better playmaker.

Posted by the0nlyis on 4/5/2015 11:12:00 AM (view original):
I really like the Jeff Green comparison, I actually think that's the best one so far.

Also I could see he potential as a slightly worse version of Joe Johnson, very great scorers, Dekker has a better post up game, but both drive to the hoop very well, and can get hot from deep.  Both are fluid and slick.  I'm wasn't old enough to see Johnson in his younger days so I don't know how athletic he was though.

JJ is a really good ball handler and slasher. Plus he was a lights out shooter too. In his prime he was a 20+ point scorer for years. Not a good comp there.

Yeah. Blackdog, what I meant by Dekker comparison was I think in order for him to be a good NBA player, he'll have to develop a game where he is slashing, cutting, handling the ball, shooting threes. I don't see him nor I except him to be good in the post because he is too thin. If he gets on weight, he needs to make sure it does not impact his speed. He went to Lebron's summer training programs and some say he played a lot like Lebron, and showcased skills you never see him using while Inside Wisconsin's conservative approach.

Gordon had better numbers as a sophomore for Butler, more rebounds, more points. He did not get that many assists while in College, a bit like Dekker. And Gordon is listed at 6,8'. Jeff Green was the better passer of all of these players but is a lot more athletic than both Gordon and Dekker. That is why I did not compare Green to them.

In the NBA, while Green was the more accomplished NCAA player, his assists went down, his rebounding went down while Hayward improved in passing. Today, I'd take Hayward over Green or Parsons. Would you compare Dekker to Luol Deng then? Or Otto Porter? Or Marcus Morris ? Or Nicolas Batum?

Posted by blackdog3377 on 4/5/2015 1:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by the0nlyis on 4/5/2015 11:12:00 AM (view original):
I really like the Jeff Green comparison, I actually think that's the best one so far.

Also I could see he potential as a slightly worse version of Joe Johnson, very great scorers, Dekker has a better post up game, but both drive to the hoop very well, and can get hot from deep.  Both are fluid and slick.  I'm wasn't old enough to see Johnson in his younger days so I don't know how athletic he was though.

JJ is a really good ball handler and slasher. Plus he was a lights out shooter too. In his prime he was a 20+ point scorer for years. Not a good comp there.

potential, dekker flashes driving and shooting ability, not going to happen, but best case scenario

Posted by zorzii on 4/5/2015 2:42:00 PM (view original):
Yeah. Blackdog, what I meant by Dekker comparison was I think in order for him to be a good NBA player, he'll have to develop a game where he is slashing, cutting, handling the ball, shooting threes. I don't see him nor I except him to be good in the post because he is too thin. If he gets on weight, he needs to make sure it does not impact his speed. He went to Lebron's summer training programs and some say he played a lot like Lebron, and showcased skills you never see him using while Inside Wisconsin's conservative approach.

Gordon had better numbers as a sophomore for Butler, more rebounds, more points. He did not get that many assists while in College, a bit like Dekker. And Gordon is listed at 6,8'. Jeff Green was the better passer of all of these players but is a lot more athletic than both Gordon and Dekker. That is why I did not compare Green to them.

In the NBA, while Green was the more accomplished NCAA player, his assists went down, his rebounding went down while Hayward improved in passing. Today, I'd take Hayward over Green or Parsons. Would you compare Dekker to Luol Deng then? Or Otto Porter? Or Marcus Morris ? Or Nicolas Batum?

deng was a beast defensively dekker will probably never come close to that level of defense+minutes

Posted by zorzii on 4/5/2015 2:42:00 PM (view original):
Yeah. Blackdog, what I meant by Dekker comparison was I think in order for him to be a good NBA player, he'll have to develop a game where he is slashing, cutting, handling the ball, shooting threes. I don't see him nor I except him to be good in the post because he is too thin. If he gets on weight, he needs to make sure it does not impact his speed. He went to Lebron's summer training programs and some say he played a lot like Lebron, and showcased skills you never see him using while Inside Wisconsin's conservative approach.

Gordon had better numbers as a sophomore for Butler, more rebounds, more points. He did not get that many assists while in College, a bit like Dekker. And Gordon is listed at 6,8'. Jeff Green was the better passer of all of these players but is a lot more athletic than both Gordon and Dekker. That is why I did not compare Green to them.

In the NBA, while Green was the more accomplished NCAA player, his assists went down, his rebounding went down while Hayward improved in passing. Today, I'd take Hayward over Green or Parsons. Would you compare Dekker to Luol Deng then? Or Otto Porter? Or Marcus Morris ? Or Nicolas Batum?

I compared him to Green because they have similar skill sets. Green might be more athletic but Dekker plays harder. Both are 6'9 and do a lot of things well without being great at anything. Both can post up but are not advanced, both are decent shooter, both are solid basic ball handlers without a lot of advanced moves, both cut and move really well without the ball, both can drive but are more straight line drivers, can finish above the rim, both are fairly average defenders.

Gordon is a big guard and plays a much different game. More of a slasher who can shoot as well.

Batum might not be a bad comparison as well but he is longer and a better shooter.

A friend and I were talking about this earlier and thought in college he's like Klay Thompson right now, he posts up smaller guys, drains 3s in the tourney at least, good ball handler and passer and smart. Maybe not as good a defender but I don't know. I don't think he'll develop to that level in the NBA but anythings possible.

Joe Alexander

He's athletic, but I don't think he is athletic enough for a starting role in the NBA.

Well, Mikvitu, Ardthomp, Blackdogg, the Onlysis, today I am rooting for Wisconsin, not because I don't like Duke, but because I dislike the one and done. I want programs that are built on loyalty from players to win. And Sam Dekker is my favorite player! Go I like Nigel Hayes too, hopefully all that athleticism and good decision making will give them a much deserved win.

My problem is this : Duke is so much stronger at the guard spot. So much better. I believe but I'd never bet on Wisconsin.