Guys,

Anybody has had luck with ineligibles. I am 1 for 4 at DII and DI. They don't show up. 0-3 the last three times. What hurts is that on my SFSU, the PG I recruited was a stud... He was really going to be my best PG and maybe my best player.

If anyone found a way to make em come to the campus instead of going JUCO... I'd like tips. Do you do something just before the signing period, do you increase your recruiting efforts even if you are already being considered?

The more effort you put in, the more likely they are to show up. The timing of effort is not relevant. You may make promises to ineligibles to get some additional cheap effort. The only risk being that they might pass their exams and become eligible. Not sure the latest time that might occur, but it seems safe on the afternoon of signings.

Still team prestige factors into this, so take that into account.

Couple things I have found..........drop down ineligibles are way less likely to show up....,.ineligible I pull down have shown up 100% of the time.....the better the player, the less likely he is to show up..........I go start and 30 minutes on almost all of them..........if I have the cash and  I really want him, I heap it on him......I've had guys with around 8 HV's not show but  usually less does the trick......hope  a lot.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/8/2015 9:06:00 AM (view original):
Couple things I have found..........drop down ineligibles are way less likely to show up....,.ineligible I pull down have shown up 100% of the time.....the better the player, the less likely he is to show up..........I go start and 30 minutes on almost all of them..........if I have the cash and  I really want him, I heap it on him......I've had guys with around 8 HV's not show but  usually less does the trick......hope  a lot.

The answer to the original question, is that the more money you put in, the more likely the player is to show up.  I just got an ineligible to show up in Knight, I put more money in than I needed to sing him without any battles, and he showed.

But now I'm more curious to get a clarification on something trentonjoe said above.  What do you mean by "the better the player, the less likely he is to show up"?  The sim doesn't have an understanding of which players are good or not, do they?  It looks like they based theses things mostly on Overall Ratings.  For example the sim might not weight ath the way most human coaches do.  And I assumed when you referred to "better players"  you meant players that are actually the best players for the game, and not highest overall rated players.

So maybe you can clarify, if I'm missing something?

OVR rating, position rating (SIM CORES) and starting Division level are all relevant

the SIM has some sort of ranking of player quality - based on factors including those referenced.  That ranking determines who can pursue those recruits, who can pull them down and how much effort it will take for a given school to get considered.

I think that that same sort of ranking of player quality also affects whether nonqualifiers enroll - if an A prestige school pursues a one star ineligible, good chance he enrolls.  If a B prestige school pursues a four star and happens to be able barely to get him - less likely.....

Only recruit one ineligible per season .. I have tried 2 in one season more than once, only 1 has ever shown up.

Mets, I wonder, has anyone ever looked at the default player roles masks and see if those match up to the perceived quality of a player by the computer? In other words, is that an encoding of how the computer thinks?

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/8/2015 9:06:00 AM (view original):
Couple things I have found..........drop down ineligibles are way less likely to show up....,.ineligible I pull down have shown up 100% of the time.....the better the player, the less likely he is to show up..........I go start and 30 minutes on almost all of them..........if I have the cash and  I really want him, I heap it on him......I've had guys with around 8 HV's not show but  usually less does the trick......hope  a lot.

This sounds backwards to me.  Aren't "pulldowns" usually better players than "dropdowns"?  If they weren't, wouldn't they have already dropped?

     I think it has to do with effort put in....admittedly, I don't pull down ineligibles very often but when I do they show.....Also, I pull down guys early, I have no idea when/if they would have dropped.

I am on an ineligible again. I will try to see if effort makes any difference. I already promised a start, 20 minutes. As someone says, I will pray he does not pass and becomes eligible.

Simple answer is if you don't want to worry about losing them, then stop recruiting them and just recruit a player that you can red shirt.

Posted by emy1013 on 4/10/2015 5:08:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/8/2015 9:06:00 AM (view original):
Couple things I have found..........drop down ineligibles are way less likely to show up....,.ineligible I pull down have shown up 100% of the time.....the better the player, the less likely he is to show up..........I go start and 30 minutes on almost all of them..........if I have the cash and  I really want him, I heap it on him......I've had guys with around 8 HV's not show but  usually less does the trick......hope  a lot.

This sounds backwards to me.  Aren't "pulldowns" usually better players than "dropdowns"?  If they weren't, wouldn't they have already dropped?

Let's put it this way... Pulldowns *consider themselves* to be better than the players that drop.  Or another way, the recruiting mechanism considers them to be better at that exact moment.  I don't believe potential is factored in there.  So I don't think it's accurate to say they're just better.

I'd agree with Trentonjoe's comment.  Since more effort put into an ineligible player seems to lead to them showing up more often, a pulled-down ineligible will be more likely to show up than a drop down, since you'd presumably put less overall effort into the player who dropped.

Posted by ardthomp on 4/10/2015 1:31:00 PM (view original):
Simple answer is if you don't want to worry about losing them, then stop recruiting them and just recruit a player that you can red shirt.

I mean, that's good advice if you want to give up on signing ineligibles completely.  It's not very helpful if you don't want to shut out a group of potentially valuable players.

Posted by llamanunts on 4/10/2015 2:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ardthomp on 4/10/2015 1:31:00 PM (view original):
Simple answer is if you don't want to worry about losing them, then stop recruiting them and just recruit a player that you can red shirt.

I mean, that's good advice if you want to give up on signing ineligibles completely.  It's not very helpful if you don't want to shut out a group of potentially valuable players.

It's extremely helpful in that he isn't wasting time and/or money for the possibility of a player showing up or not.  With a person that has very limited experience at the D1 level, the OP shouldn't even be looking at ineligibles as a way to build his team.

Focus on recruiting players that you KNOW will help your team.  Use a red shirt if needed.