Which World has the best D1 Conference of all time Topic

I've been in Tark and Phelan and I heard about a CUSA conference in a world winning the NT.  I was in the Big 10 in Phelan when we sent 10 to the NT and 2 to the PIT.  Just wanted to know success of worlds and which conference can say they sent 12 teams to the NT.  In Div 1 I know it's been done in Div 2 plenty of times.  Also I would like to know how many total championships per conference has won and how many different coaches have won championships in the same conference.

10/28/2015 3:44 PM (edited)
ACC in Allen is the hands down "best" D1 conference. They have sent all 12 to the NT.
10/28/2015 3:42 PM
Posted by possumfiend on 10/28/2015 3:42:00 PM (view original):
ACC in Allen is the hands down "best" D1 conference. They have sent all 12 to the NT.
How many championships total do they have and how many different coaches have won in this conference.
10/28/2015 3:44 PM
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Overall in Allen ACC teams have won 38 of the 80 NC[47.5%] (If you take away the first 10/12 seasons when it was all sims) the numbers go to 38/70 [54%] or 38/68 [56%] as no ACC school won with sim coaches.

I assume this was a planned conference at one point, but I don't know when

The C-USA conference now basically gone was in Rupp.  Options/acn24/girt25(I believe all the same person) was the coach winning the NC's with 3 NC wins and 3 NC losses.

They also had coaches like zags27, dacj501, romi22513, aejones, zagima, tianyi7886, and shqipta all be very successful.

10/28/2015 4:05 PM (edited)
Through 80 seasons they had a total of 38 championship banners with every team having at least 1 NT championship. In the last 30 seasons 10 different teams have won it all and they have won 21 titles in that time. Season 59 they sent all 12 to the NT, 6 times they have sent 11, twelve times they have sent 10. They hold the record for most wins by a conference in a single NT - 46; the record for most Single season postseason cash $920,000 ... I could go on ... No other conference is close ... Particularly over the past 30 seasons.
10/28/2015 3:57 PM
Posted by the0nlyis on 10/28/2015 4:05:00 PM (view original):
oldman 20
acn24 15
hoosierchap 1
mcott323 0
aporter 5
viperhoops 3
brikeisco 5
kelby_03 17
rogers 2
lamphet 0
taysfd 0
Miami(FL) last coach kyle_lee7 5


Overall in Allen ACC teams have won 38 of the 80 NC[47.5%] (If you take away the first 10/12 seasons when it was all sims) the numbers go to 38/70 [54%] or 38/68 [56%] as no ACC school won with sim coaches.

I assume this was a planned conference at one point, but I don't know when

The C-USA conference now basically gone was in Rupp.  Options/acn24/girt25(I believe all the same person) was the coach winning the NC's with 3 NC wins and 3 NC losses.

They also had coaches like zags27, dacj501, romi22513, aejones, zagima, tianyi7886, and shqipta all be very successful.

options/acn is the same person. girt is someone else, girt is daalter for those that knew him by that name. both are top 10 all time coaches, so i can see how you'd get them confused ;)
10/28/2015 5:24 PM
ah my bad I knew he was options/acn didn't know girt but I knew it was another one with 2 accounts.  That just means the conference had 1 more great coach.

Would Marshall in rupp be considered as best D1 mid-major in HD?  The only other schools I can think that come anywhere near them are maybe dsrnell's Texas Southern in Smith, they are worse baseline, but haven't broken through to a NC.

I know there's Utah/Zaga/St. John's/Proivdence I know Utah/Zaga are technically midmajors, and I don't think either of those have a world where they are as dominant as Marshall was.
10/28/2015 8:14 PM
ACC-Allen1 is on a level by itself.
ACC-Crum is close to the equal of ACC-Allen2, for the last 10-15 seasons and probably the second most successful conference in the modern era (last 30 seasons or so).
Allen is not as dominate as it once was and Crum is pretty salty these days.
as for CUSA.... they probably aren't in the top10-15.
What was done there was pretty impressive but we picked the world, conference, and coaches.
and, of utmost importance..... we had a grouchy Old Lady to nag us if we didn't do things her way.
The list of coaches who added to the success of that project also includes Billy, Weenie, and Iggy.

10/29/2015 12:40 AM
my understanding is that acc allen was built on the worst collusion this game has ever suffered...the coaches went so far as to hold a draft of available recruits where each coach would pick which recruits he wanted to avoid any battles within the conference. its hard to imagine that despite rl years having passed, that the conference doesn't still benefit immensely from the advantage that was built over rl years of cheating. so, while everyone heralds that conference as the G.O.A.T., let's all go back and add some asterisks because the success is in large part due to that conference being on steroids. 
10/29/2015 1:40 PM
Posted by sullytoo on 10/29/2015 1:40:00 PM (view original):
my understanding is that acc allen was built on the worst collusion this game has ever suffered...the coaches went so far as to hold a draft of available recruits where each coach would pick which recruits he wanted to avoid any battles within the conference. its hard to imagine that despite rl years having passed, that the conference doesn't still benefit immensely from the advantage that was built over rl years of cheating. so, while everyone heralds that conference as the G.O.A.T., let's all go back and add some asterisks because the success is in large part due to that conference being on steroids. 
what is that understanding based on? i've never coached in that world, but there are some pretty respectable guys who rolled through there. its hard for me to believe cheating was such widespread, but i have been wrong about people before. that said, i've never heard anyone insinuate foul play there in any way, prior to this. plus, i would have to imagine with the "celebrity" of that conference, it would be pretty hard to pull off such a broad long term cheating scheme, without folks noticing. 
10/30/2015 1:57 AM
back in july, i ran the dynasty list stuff i do from time to time, and it included conference dynasties. at that time, acc-crum was the #1 conference in d1, so that supports what zags was saying. (current conf dynasty list link)

all time, there are a few special conferences. (all time conf dynasty list link)

by huge margins, ACC-allen holds the top spot for 5, 10, 20, 30, and 40 years, in all of d1. they have the 1 year too but i just did that for fun to see single seasons, obviously 1 season doesn't mean a lot to being a dynasty. i think it is fair to call ACC-allen the gold standard.

in d2, there are two conferences that really set themselves apart. the GLV-tark has been one of the top 2-3 conferences in d2 for like 6+ years, and was easily #1 for like half of that. they hold top spots in 30/40 year dynasties, the latter by a huge margin.

in d2, there is also the Gulf South-allen, which had a really good run. they hold the top spot in the 5, 10, and 20 season dynasty lists, by a tiny margin, over the GLV-tark in all cases. comparing the two is interesting. Gulf South was great for a shorter time, in seasons and years, but the 1/day vs 2/day does make it harder for them to compete in the really long terms when measured in seasons. on the other hand, when the projection report came out, it became WAY easier for dominant conferences, numbers were inflated in a big way (getting 9 teams into the NT was as easy as 6 prior to the proj report, roughly). arguably, the best GLV run was before that change, so its pretty much impossible to say who peaked higher. i am obviously biased having spent 5 years or so in the GLV but because they are a VERY close second in the 5/10/20, a small to medium leader in 30, and huge in 40, and with their pre-new engine resume being easily the best of that time, i put them first. but i can certainly see a case for the Gulf South, as well. either way, both are easily among the game's all time great conferences.

d3 is a lot harder, because in terms of a clear leader, its harder. i wasn't involved in any of those conferences, I was in a top 30 all time d3 conference, but that's as close as i got. so, i never watched that closely. check the all-time dynasty list if you want to get some more info, but basically, there were a few dominant conferences over time. upstate-wooden was the gold standard for a long time - and they are really unfairly represented in the list - as mentioned, "old school" conferences get the shaft because it was SO much harder to send dominant numbers of teams to the NT back then. for example, in the GLV, our conference went down by all accounts, in strength, and we went from putting 6 guys in to 10, even with that drop. obviously, the heavy weights carry more weight, but even there guys who did well but lost games to several top 10 teams in conference, who would get 2-3 seeds today and 6 seeds back then. its really incomparable. so, i think wooden-upstate definitely deserves some credit despite "only" being like 5th or 6th on the dynasty lists. they are in contention for the best ever d3 conf in my book. there are like 4-5 other big time great d3 conferences you can see there in the dynasty lists.

it is a bit unfair to d1 confs, because they are behind the best conference ever, but really there were plenty of exceptional d1 conferences over time - generally d1 competition is higher, top to bottom, than d2/d3 (which are often roughly as competitive at the top, but not close in the middle/bottom). so when you see those top 10-20 d1 conferences, those were really GREAT conferences. also, as mentioned, old-time conferences get a huge shaft in numbers. i don't know when the projection report came out, its been a number of years now. you can see some great old-time conferences from some old dynasty list numbers i ran. the first conference dynasty list i ever ran was back in 2010 which either pre-dates the projection report, or is at worst right after it came out (i think it pre-dates it). if you care to look, you can see the list of dynasty lists i've compiled over time here.
10/30/2015 2:25 AM
Posted by gillispie1 on 10/30/2015 1:57:00 AM (view original):
Posted by sullytoo on 10/29/2015 1:40:00 PM (view original):
my understanding is that acc allen was built on the worst collusion this game has ever suffered...the coaches went so far as to hold a draft of available recruits where each coach would pick which recruits he wanted to avoid any battles within the conference. its hard to imagine that despite rl years having passed, that the conference doesn't still benefit immensely from the advantage that was built over rl years of cheating. so, while everyone heralds that conference as the G.O.A.T., let's all go back and add some asterisks because the success is in large part due to that conference being on steroids. 
what is that understanding based on? i've never coached in that world, but there are some pretty respectable guys who rolled through there. its hard for me to believe cheating was such widespread, but i have been wrong about people before. that said, i've never heard anyone insinuate foul play there in any way, prior to this. plus, i would have to imagine with the "celebrity" of that conference, it would be pretty hard to pull off such a broad long term cheating scheme, without folks noticing. 
I heard the same thing as well and agree that asterisks are probably in order and more than justified.
10/30/2015 11:09 AM
Posted by emy1013 on 10/30/2015 11:09:00 AM (view original):
Posted by gillispie1 on 10/30/2015 1:57:00 AM (view original):
Posted by sullytoo on 10/29/2015 1:40:00 PM (view original):
my understanding is that acc allen was built on the worst collusion this game has ever suffered...the coaches went so far as to hold a draft of available recruits where each coach would pick which recruits he wanted to avoid any battles within the conference. its hard to imagine that despite rl years having passed, that the conference doesn't still benefit immensely from the advantage that was built over rl years of cheating. so, while everyone heralds that conference as the G.O.A.T., let's all go back and add some asterisks because the success is in large part due to that conference being on steroids. 
what is that understanding based on? i've never coached in that world, but there are some pretty respectable guys who rolled through there. its hard for me to believe cheating was such widespread, but i have been wrong about people before. that said, i've never heard anyone insinuate foul play there in any way, prior to this. plus, i would have to imagine with the "celebrity" of that conference, it would be pretty hard to pull off such a broad long term cheating scheme, without folks noticing. 
I heard the same thing as well and agree that asterisks are probably in order and more than justified.
i know myself has accused the acc in allen of cheating directly on there boards going back and forth with several of the coaches and wrote several sitemails to whatif that backed me up i dont think its done much anymore , just my 2 cents and experience.
10/30/2015 11:20 AM
Posted by sullytoo on 10/29/2015 1:40:00 PM (view original):
my understanding is that acc allen was built on the worst collusion this game has ever suffered...the coaches went so far as to hold a draft of available recruits where each coach would pick which recruits he wanted to avoid any battles within the conference. its hard to imagine that despite rl years having passed, that the conference doesn't still benefit immensely from the advantage that was built over rl years of cheating. so, while everyone heralds that conference as the G.O.A.T., let's all go back and add some asterisks because the success is in large part due to that conference being on steroids. 
Your understanding is completely wrong.  What is your alias, or are you just throwing rumors about a world you've never played in?  

I can guarantee that we never held drafts.  We did generally avoid inter-conference battles, but so do most conferences.  Why would I battle UNC for an in-state recruit when I could go target a New York or an Ohio recruit and battle a Big East or Big-10 team that I have $40k more in postseason bonus.
10/30/2015 11:55 AM
acn: my other id is jtt8355. i don't play D1, so i really have no incentive to bring this up, except that i've seen it brought up multiple times in the forums over the years. the most damning of which happened not too long ago...one of the long time coaches came back to HD and posted a late night confession. he deleted is by morning but several of us - myself included - saw the confession. there are also other threads confirming that admin sent out a conference-wide warning against collusion to the then coaches in the conference. i'll try finding mentions of both and posting links. 
10/30/2015 12:06 PM
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