Developers chat tomorrow ... See above ...

Little does seble know I only have 1 class tomorrow and no work. I promise I won't bombard 100 questions, I'll limit myself to like 3ish

Posted by the0nlyis on 3/3/2016 1:47:00 PM (view original):
Little does seble know I only have 1 class tomorrow and no work. I promise I won't bombard 100 questions, I'll limit myself to like 3ish

You forgot the two zeros after the 3

What is the point of having a dev chat when we haven't received any updates on the potential update he discussed months ago?

I never felt the update seble was proposing was all that necessary. The game clearly has other issues that need to be fixed.

Posted by the0nlyis on 3/3/2016 2:41:00 PM (view original):
This fix is a bandaid to our scraped knee while we are bleeding from a gunshot wound to the abdonmen.

Play something else, you really get old

I mean real real real old

Some questions I am going to submit:

Will you change anything other than recruiting?
Is the length of the season going to change at all?
Is the basic framework of recruiting options (HV. CV, ST, promises, etc) going to remain the same?

Posted by mizzou77 on 3/3/2016 2:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by the0nlyis on 3/3/2016 2:41:00 PM (view original):
This fix is a bandaid to our scraped knee while we are bleeding from a gunshot wound to the abdonmen.

Play something else, you really get old

If there was another option, I'd gladly take it.

Posted by the0nlyis on 3/3/2016 3:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mizzou77 on 3/3/2016 2:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by the0nlyis on 3/3/2016 2:41:00 PM (view original):
This fix is a bandaid to our scraped knee while we are bleeding from a gunshot wound to the abdonmen.

Play something else, you really get old

If there was another option, I'd gladly take it.

There is another option. You could...not play HD.

But it's a solid analogy. Definitely bigger issues with the game than recruiting.

Well, you've got to start somewhere. And no matter where you start, someone is not going to like it.

I think that the single worst part of the game is Division-1 recruiting. I think that needs the most attention and that it needs to be the next thing fixed.

LSU got Ben SImmons IRL. There is no way that LSU can get an international 5 star from Australia.

Here is the real life 2015 recruiting list:

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Basketball/RecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool

If you look at that list, here are some things other than Simmons that stand out as impossible in HD:

Cal signed Jaylen Brown from Georgia
Arizona signed Allonzo Trier from Maryland

That is just the tip of the iceberg.

Basically, in HD Div-1, If an A+ team wants someone within 180 miles, he is going there. IRL, that is not the case very often. Also, the best team or the team with the most prestige does not always get the best players. Ben Simmons could not go to a team in HD that has made the NCAA tourney 1 time (with no wins) in 6 years.

So some of us think recruiting is a huge problem, and that nothing else matters until that is fixed.

I know not everyone feels that way.

But I quit playing and then came back because the recruiting changes were announced. If they don't make those changes, I will be very ******, and probably stop playing.

Posted by hughesjr on 3/3/2016 3:36:00 PM (view original):
Well, you've got to start somewhere. And no matter where you start, someone is not going to like it.

I think that the single worst part of the game is Division-1 recruiting. I think that needs the most attention and that it needs to be the next thing fixed.

LSU got Ben SImmons IRL. There is no way that LSU can get an international 5 star from Australia.

Here is the real life 2015 recruiting list:

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Basketball/RecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool

If you look at that list, here are some things other than Simmons that stand out as impossible in HD:

Cal signed Jaylen Brown from Georgia
Arizona signed Allonzo Trier from Maryland

That is just the tip of the iceberg.

Basically, in HD Div-1, If an A+ team wants someone within 180 miles, he is going there. IRL, that is not the case very often. Also, the best team or the team with the most prestige does not always get the best players. Ben Simmons could not go to a team in HD that has made the NCAA tourney 1 time (with no wins) in 6 years.

So some of us think recruiting is a huge problem, and that nothing else matters until that is fixed.

I know not everyone feels that way.

But I quit playing and then came back because the recruiting changes were announced. If they don't make those changes, I will be very ******, and probably stop playing.

Yet nobody really complained about recruiting and programs that were outside BCS conferences could compete nationally until potential was introduced and recruit generation were significantly changed. So what is the biggest problem here?

Posted by options on 3/3/2016 4:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hughesjr on 3/3/2016 3:36:00 PM (view original):
Well, you've got to start somewhere. And no matter where you start, someone is not going to like it.

I think that the single worst part of the game is Division-1 recruiting. I think that needs the most attention and that it needs to be the next thing fixed.

LSU got Ben SImmons IRL. There is no way that LSU can get an international 5 star from Australia.

Here is the real life 2015 recruiting list:

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Basketball/RecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool

If you look at that list, here are some things other than Simmons that stand out as impossible in HD:

Cal signed Jaylen Brown from Georgia
Arizona signed Allonzo Trier from Maryland

That is just the tip of the iceberg.

Basically, in HD Div-1, If an A+ team wants someone within 180 miles, he is going there. IRL, that is not the case very often. Also, the best team or the team with the most prestige does not always get the best players. Ben Simmons could not go to a team in HD that has made the NCAA tourney 1 time (with no wins) in 6 years.

So some of us think recruiting is a huge problem, and that nothing else matters until that is fixed.

I know not everyone feels that way.

But I quit playing and then came back because the recruiting changes were announced. If they don't make those changes, I will be very ******, and probably stop playing.

Yet nobody really complained about recruiting and programs that were outside BCS conferences could compete nationally until potential was introduced and recruit generation were significantly changed. So what is the biggest problem here?

I guess that depends on your perspective. I think potential is great. It is not very realistic that any player can grow unlimited in every area. Then you can recruit anyone and grow them into anyone you want.

Diverse players are fine.

But I certainly understand other people have different opinions.

Posted by options on 3/3/2016 4:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hughesjr on 3/3/2016 3:36:00 PM (view original):
Well, you've got to start somewhere. And no matter where you start, someone is not going to like it.

I think that the single worst part of the game is Division-1 recruiting. I think that needs the most attention and that it needs to be the next thing fixed.

LSU got Ben SImmons IRL. There is no way that LSU can get an international 5 star from Australia.

Here is the real life 2015 recruiting list:

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Basketball/RecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool

If you look at that list, here are some things other than Simmons that stand out as impossible in HD:

Cal signed Jaylen Brown from Georgia
Arizona signed Allonzo Trier from Maryland

That is just the tip of the iceberg.

Basically, in HD Div-1, If an A+ team wants someone within 180 miles, he is going there. IRL, that is not the case very often. Also, the best team or the team with the most prestige does not always get the best players. Ben Simmons could not go to a team in HD that has made the NCAA tourney 1 time (with no wins) in 6 years.

So some of us think recruiting is a huge problem, and that nothing else matters until that is fixed.

I know not everyone feels that way.

But I quit playing and then came back because the recruiting changes were announced. If they don't make those changes, I will be very ******, and probably stop playing.

Yet nobody really complained about recruiting and programs that were outside BCS conferences could compete nationally until potential was introduced and recruit generation were significantly changed. So what is the biggest problem here?

It's all connected in a cause effect pattern like you are saying.

The actual recruiting process is not inherently bad, it's actually pretty good, and really only needs minor tweaking, but is assumed to be bad because of some major factors affecting it.

• Bonus cash is too much(probably needs to be cut down to 10,000 per game) giving Big 6 programs too much of an advantage.
• Prestige plays a large role and the way prestige is calculated is bad, and makes it very tough for non power conference teams to recruit
  • weak big 6 teams are able to stay on par with strong mid-major bad prestige schools, with PI bids keeping them around a b-/b prestige, equivalent of a non major conf team being consistent NT bids.
• Jobs process sucks on hirings alone(i won't touch firings), it is a downward moving process, which is the opposite of what it should be, right now you have to build a bad program up higher than the program you wan't to move to, meaning it takes longer since you have to wait for sims to destroy the programs prestige and then have to rebuild a program that was put in the shitter. Ideally you should be able to jump up around a 1/4 or 1/2 letter grade, like building a B- program and jumping to a B.
  • or prestige needs to drop faster from these sim schools as they can routinely have horrid seasons and maintain a B+/A- for a few more seasons
• Recruit generation is absolute garbage and is the number one problem, it needs to full addressing from D1->D3 this needs to be the #1 priority, no team should be 90/90/90 in ath/spd/def. Every team contending for a NT is last season's Kentucky or 2005 UNC.
  • I have only played one season of GD but I know HD used to follow a similar practice without potential, there needs to be a hybrid where we is very important and you can "mold" your own teams, but still have some restrictions based on potential.
  • Something needs to be done about location, some teams benefit in HD hugely on location and other top programs suck, top recruits need to be nationally recruitable with only a minor multiplier effect given to schools within 100 or maybe 200 miles. Location should matter, but not to this extent.
    • It seems the KY/IND/OH area is really weak at D1 for as you can't have a lot of top programs there outside Kentucky, Illinois, Michigan State, maybe Indiana. It's a hotbed for not only talent, but for teams in real life.
• There is a bunch of very good minor changes either I've brought up or other people have brought up that don't really change much, but would provide great benefits to the game.

This is just a tip, it really seems the 3 major problems voiced, are prestige, jobs, and generation.

The actual recruiting process needs to be tweaked not overhauled, overhauling the recruiting process will cause a lot of people to leave and not make the actual problems go away.